Talk:Derek Chisora

Poorly written

On 23 July, he fought Tyson Fury. Chisora dominated the opening rounds unleashing his big left hand on more than one occasion, leaving Tyson Fury worried, however he failed to make that advantage count. The next few rounds Fury got into the fight and by the half way stage was in front. After the half way stage Chisora got desperate when entering uncharted territory, neither man had gone beyond the 10th round, this is when Fury's stamina advantage came good. Chisora wildly swing numerous punches with a low hit rate, this ultimately lead him to become tired and Fury seized upon this, throwing combinations then holding on to Chisora to waste time. Despite a good fight, with Chisora landing some big left hands Fury won by unanimous decision.

Someone needs to re-word all this. 92.7.80.34 (talk) 18:07, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Bisexual

The article says he stated he is bisexual. I do not agree this is a statement - they were discussing him kissing an opponent at a press conference in order to get under his skin. From watching the video clip cited as a reference, Chisora appears to be making the comment to wind-up Vitali Klitschko. Ganglandboss (talk) 16:11, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Yeah I agree, after watching the clip which is referenced the statement is clearly used to wind-up Klitschko and is purely used as joke. Cazza3012 (talk) 16:25, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

I have changed this section in the article to make it more relevant. Cazza3012 (talk) 16:35, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Haye brawl

Haye was holding a bottle, with which he struck Chisora, then it was Haye who threw a tripod hurting his own trainer. "Chisora was filmed holding a glass bottle and was accused of glassing Booth." Why even write this sentence? Doesn't it give a false impression that Chisora was the one using the bottle as a weapon? I saw no video in which Chisora held a bottle, it was in the hands of Haye, he hit Chisora with the hand he held it, then it was rattling on the floor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Avlee (talk • contribs) 22:51, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

It also says Haye entered the press conference in order to taunt Chisora over his loss. Haye didn't speak to Chisora, he spoke to Vitali's manager, it was Chisora who began talking to Haye. Haye was attending the fight as a professional pundit employed by a media company. This is clearly not written from NPOV.KhProd1 (talk) 08:26, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

This section also needs to be re-written as there are numerous spelling mistakes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.198.186.210 (talk) 09:41, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

I find Dereck Chisora's stunts disgusting, he should never be allowed to represent The United kingdom in boxing again. He is an embarrassment to the sport. Unfortunately the damage is done. I've seen boxing help many poor/troubled kids make something of their lives and improve peoples confidence. But Dereck Chisora's stupidity has probably made some kids think its cool to be an idiot. What a plonker! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.21.223.68 (talk) 23:44, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

on top of it: Chisora was arrested by German police for his part in the brawl and subsequently released after being charged.

he was NOT charged... even the cited source states:

"Mr Chisora was arrested after police went to the airport where he was at approximately 10.30am [German time] this morning," Munich police said. Chisora was later released without charge after questioning but a police spokesman, Gottfried Schlicht, told the Associated Press that Chisora could still face charges of causing grievous bodily harm.Avlee (talk) 20:31, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Agreed. I've changed it. Romper (talk) 00:27, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 23 February 2012

On this page it reads,"Chisora was arrested by German police for his part in the brawl and subsequently released after being charged.[16][17]". This is not accurate because Chisora was released without charge. The sentence should therefore read: Chisora was arrested by German police for his part in the brawl but was subsequently released without charge.

Sources: http://www.espn.co.uk/boxing/sport/story/137033.html

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5gXN2u8IL7TEfXzlovhOrkoYBeGHA?docId=N0621211329671407065A

Owenkaridza (talk) 00:34, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Done. Romper (talk) 00:55, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Picture

We can either have a picture of Dereck Chisora alone (article version [1]), or a picture of Chisora with Alex Reid. I don't see any good reason for having the picture including Alex Reid, but clearly User:Darrenm540 disagrees. Does anyone else have any thoughts? --Michig (talk) 19:17, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Ruined article, needs reverting.

An IP address recently made several edits to this article, adding poor grammar, messing up the boxing record, along with pointless spaces between each character. These need to be reverted and removed. I've done my best but it's really something. Vember94 (talk) 11:47, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 November 2018

The WBA international title Dereck Chisora won is now vacant and is being fought for tommorow night so I would request that the change states he is no longer the current champion and that the title does not have present from the date he won it. 92.239.205.101 (talk) 17:38, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 18:44, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 March 2019

I wish to update Dereck Chisora's Professional Boxing Record as he has a fight scheduled for April 20 Sweet Science Fan (talk) 17:37, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 17:47, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 April 2019

Neil Simpson now has a wikipedia page therefore a link to this should be added on Dereck Chisora's Professional Record Sweet Science Fan (talk) 22:10, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

 Done – link added. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 22:17, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 June 2019

I seem to be locked in an edit war with a troll IP. Could you protect the articel the only registered users and no children being an IP can edit it? Would be much appreciated SWAGnificient (talk) 22:04, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: requests for increases to the page protection level should be made at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection.

@SWAGnificient: Please be aware of the three revert rule! Read about that at Wikipedia:Edit warring#The three-revert rule. Discuss edits on the IP's talk page, and if that fails, if necessary, report the IP to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring. Please do not exceed three reverts in 24 hours. There are exceptions, but you must be able to explain what those exceptions are. Thanks. Grayfell (talk) 22:14, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

i did. i asked him to start a discussion on talk page, i sent a warning to his pate. nothing. just cuntinued edit warring. and it's not even an account. it's some troll behind an IP. SWAGnificient (talk) 22:17, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Posting on their talk is a good idea, but you have still exceeded 3RR, and are still editing. Stop and continue on the talk page or you will both get blocked. Grayfell (talk) 22:21, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

@SWAGnificient: BoxRec lists him as French, and the IP's other edits to this page seem legitimate, so do not call editors trolls without a good reason. You need to discuss your edits, not just insult other editors. Grayfell (talk) 22:35, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

i'm an editor at boxrec. it has less oversight than wikipedia. carlso takam represented cameroon in the olympics. that's more of a reliable source to nationality than boxrec. SWAGnificient (talk) 22:41, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Okay. Is there a difference between their Wiki and their main page, because BoxRec's wiki also says he's French. Yes he did represent Cameroon in the 2004 Olympics. That's not reliable for his activity 15 years later. So are there sources that he represented Cameroon as a professional in 2018? Can you please provide those sources? Grayfell (talk) 22:46, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

he's a resident and citizen of france a dual national. The edit was made in 2006, without as source (most of the time source itself is wiki, ironically) and is grandfathered in. also, the burden of proof is on that he represent france over cameroon. which has never been provided. olympic representation is a better source than anything for which nation said fighter represents. SWAGnificient (talk) 22:53, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

to clarify, Boxrec is relibale when considering height, weight, fight record and location of venue. This is not the case whne considering, nationality and other personal detials. SWAGnificient (talk) 23:23, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Sure, sources for sports bios are weird.

So what do reliable sources say? Where are these sources? Links, please, or some other way for this to meet WP:V.

This Guardian article primarily calls him "French". and this one calls him a "low-key Frenchman". Against Parker they played the New Zealand, Samoan, and French anthems, but not the Cameroonian one. Those aren't great sources, but they're better than nothing, and also show this wasn't "vandalism". Do you have better sources? Grayfell (talk) 23:32, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

most articles snowball from a single source. in this case it was probably boxrec itself. [[2]] he considers himself french cameronian. also the fact that he represented cameroon in the olympics is the best source out there for his nationlity. you have to be a national of said nation to represent it. SWAGnificient (talk) 00:05, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Maybe, but that's not the point. What matters is WP:RS, and The Guardian and New Zealand Herald are reliable. He represented Cameroon in 2004, and now, according to sources, he represents France. Since you don't agree, you need to find better sources. Grayfell (talk) 00:09, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Lead section

I wish to change the lead section to make it more consistent with the MOS by removing the mention of international and intercontinental titles, and moving the mention of professional achievements before amateur, as the examples in the MOS show.

My initial edit was reverted for no apparent reason so I thought I’d get some consensus here to prevent another edit war. The initial edit was...

Dereck Chisora (born 29 December 1983) is a Zimbabwean-born British professional boxer. He challenged once for the WBC heavyweight title against Vitali Klitschko in 2012. At regional level, he held the British and Commonwealth heavyweight titles from 2010 to 2011, and the EBU European heavyweight title from 2013 to 2014. As an amateur, he won the ABA super heavyweight championship. He holds notable wins over former world heavyweight title challengers Danny Williams, Kevin Johnson, Carlos Takam and Artur Szpilka, undefeated prospects Sam Sexton (twice) and Malik Scott, and Olympic bronze medalist David Price.

As you can see, very minor changes but makes the section more consistent with the MOS. ².O.^Boxing 18:23, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

To clarify my reasons for the change; Dereck Chisora has been a professional for 12 years and has won multiple regional titles as well as challenging for one of the four major world titles. He was an amateur for less than four years and only won a single national tournament. It only makes sense to list his most notable achievements first, then their lesser known and less notable achievements afterwards, as is with every other regularly updated, active boxer's page. As for removing the WBA and WBO regional titles from the lead (they’re still mentioned in the 'Professional career' section and the record table); they’re generally disregarded in the boxing world and insignificant in comparison to regionally specific titles such as British, European and Commonwealth. My latest proposal is reworded to "has won multiple regional titles" as shown here [3]. After all, the lead is supposed to be an overview of what the subject is most noted for, not to list every minor achievement. — ².O.^Boxing 00:22, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Nationality

By MOS:NATIONALITY it doesn't look like his origins in Zimbabwe should be mentioned in the lead. Is there any reason not to remove it from the lead?-- Jahalive (talk) 20:11, 2 January 2026 (UTC)

Chisora’s Zimbabwean origins are covered in multiple reliable sources and form a verifiable part of his biography. MOS:NATIONALITY asks that the lead provide context for what made the subject notable; in Chisora’s case, this includes his Zimbabwean background and subsequent career in Britain. WP:ETHNICITY also allows national origin in the lead when it is both sourced and relevant. The Zimbabwean–British descriptor reflects established practice across comparable biographies. Removing it would omit a significant, well‑sourced aspect of his identity without a policy‑based reason. LRQ 98 (talk) 16:34, 15 January 2026 (UTC)

His origins in Zimbabwe certainly belong in his biography, but how is it relevant to his notability?--Jahalive (talk) 18:48, 19 January 2026 (UTC)

Notability isn’t limited to professional achievements alone. MOS:NATIONALITY & WP:ETHNICITY both allow national origin in the lead when it provides context for how the subject is publicly identified. In Chisora’s case, reliable sources consistently describe him as Zimbabwean‑British, & his early life in Zimbabwe is part of how his career & public identity are framed. The lead summarises the key, sourced elements of that identity; the full biography expands on them. That’s why the Zimbabwean–British descriptor is relevant to the lead, even if his boxing accomplishments are what made him notable. LRQ 98 (talk) 00:57, 20 January 2026 (UTC)

You didn't answer my question.

Mr. Chisora's notability is limited to his boxing career. I don't agree with your interpretation of MOS:NATIONALITY. It says "Ethnicity, ... should generally not be in the lead unless relevant to the subject's notability. Similarly, neither previous nationalities nor the country of birth should be mentioned in the opening paragraph unless relevant to the subject's notability."--Jahalive (talk) 01:27, 20 January 2026 (UTC)

Thanks for the follow‑up. I did address your question, but perhaps I can make the reasoning clearer. MOS:NATIONALITY doesn’t limit “relevance to notability” to what made the subject professionally notable. It also covers aspects of identity that reliable sources consistently use when describing the subject. In Chisora’s case, multiple high‑quality sources identify him as Zimbabwean–British, & his early life in Zimbabwe is part of how his career & public profile are presented. That makes his national origin relevant in the broader editorial sense the guideline is referring to.

The lead summarises the key, sourced elements of how the subject is recognised in reliable coverage. Since Zimbabwean–British is a standard descriptor used in that coverage, including it aligns with MOS:NATIONALITY and WP:ETHNICITY. Once again, excluding it would remove a sourced aspect of how he is identified without a policy‑based reason. LRQ 98 (talk) 10:22, 20 January 2026 (UTC)

Chisora was born and raised in Zimbabwe. He had done nothing notable when he moved to London at the age of 16. He began boxing and became a notable boxer. He represented England as an amateur, never Zimbabwe. He has never boxed in an official match in Zimbabwe. His Zimbabwean birthplace, ethnicity and nationality are not relevant to his notability and therefore MOS:NATIONALITY (specifically, the two sentences I quoted above) says they should not be mentioned in the lead.

For inclusion in the lead it doesn't matter if sources describe him as Zimbabwean because Wikipedia has its own Manual of Style and it is supposed to be followed rather than the style of reliable sources, BUT other than the sources that focus on his youth or those published in Zimbabwe, very few mention his connection to Zimbabwe. He is generally described as British.--Jahalive (talk) 19:00, 20 January 2026 (UTC)

Thanks for the additional detail. The issue isn’t whether Chisora achieved notability while in Zimbabwe, or whether he represented Zimbabwe in competition. MOS:NATIONALITY doesn’t require a causal link between national origin & professional achievement. It asks whether the aspect in question is relevant to how the subject is identified in reliable coverage. That’s the standard I’ve been referring to.

In Chisora’s case, multiple high‑quality sources—both British & international—describe him as Zimbabwean–British. His early life in Zimbabwe is routinely included in biographical summaries, & that context forms part of how his public identity is presented. That makes the descriptor relevant in the editorial sense MOS is addressing, even if his boxing accomplishments occurred later & elsewhere.

Wikipedia’s Manual of Style guides how we summarise what reliable sources say; it doesn’t require us to disregard a consistent descriptor simply because the subject’s achievements happened in a different country. Since Zimbabwean–British is a sourced, commonly used identifier, including it in the lead reflects both MOS:NATIONALITY and WP:ETHNICITY. Removing it would omit a verifiable aspect of how he is described without a policy‑based reason. LRQ 98 (talk) 19:24, 20 January 2026 (UTC)

It doesn't look like we are getting any closer to agreeing. I've asked for a third opinion.--Jahalive (talk) 19:48, 20 January 2026 (UTC)

Response to third opinion request:

A quick internet search for ("Derek Chisora" Zimbabwean-British) returns this page and not much else. The guidance of MOS:NATIONALITY cited by Jahalive thus appears to apply and Zimbabwean should be omitted from the lead. However, LRQ 98 said "multiple high‑quality sources identify him as Zimbabwean–British". If such sources do in fact exist and open by saying that the subject is Zimbabwean–British, then maybe it would be WP:DUE in the lead. Uhoj (talk) 20:25, 20 January 2026 (UTC)

@Uhoj: Hi. Thanks for your quick reply. What do you think of my opinion, stated above, that Wikipedia's MOS on nationality is supposed to be followed regardless of how some of the sources have described the subject's nationality?--Jahalive (talk) 20:41, 20 January 2026 (UTC)

That all hinges on "unless relevant to the subject's notability". So, if sources come to light that make a big deal about the subject's country of birth, like if they mention it in their leads and go on to discuss it at length, then it might make sense to use it in our lead. Uhoj (talk) 20:49, 20 January 2026 (UTC)

Chisora is notable as a boxer. His origins in Zimbabwe have not been shown to have any relevance to his boxing career. Some sources might discuss his origins at length, as a biography should, but that doesn't make it relevant to his notability.--Jahalive (talk) 21:03, 20 January 2026 (UTC)

Thanks, Uhoj — I appreciate your thoughtful input. I agree that the relevance hinges on how reliable sources describe the subject. In this case, multiple high-quality sources do identify Chisora as Zimbabwean–British, & several open with that descriptor. That’s why I believe it’s WP:DUE in the lead & consistent with MOS:NATIONALITY and WP:ETHNICITY. The guideline doesn’t require birthplace to cause notability — only that it be relevant to how the subject is identified in reliable coverage. LRQ 98 (talk) 23:15, 20 January 2026 (UTC)

Which sources? Please provide links. Uhoj (talk) 20:22, 23 January 2026 (UTC)

Thanks, Uhoj — happy to provide a few examples.

•https://www.pulsesports.ng/boxing/story/derek-chisora-all-you-need-to-know-about-zimbabwean-british-professional-boxer-2024052310015506114

Uses “Zimbabwean–British professional boxer” directly in the headline & lead.

•https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/62000157

Opens with Chisora’s Zimbabwean origins & British identity foregrounded in the biographical framing.

•https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/boxing/derek-chisora-pulev-2-interview-b2116994.html

Discusses his background in Zimbabwe in the opening & refers to him as a British heavyweight, with Zimbabwean origins prominent early on.

These are mainstream, editorially controlled sources that identify him as Zimbabwean–British or Zimbabwean‑born British in their leads or early framing. That’s why I believe the descriptor is WP:DUE in the lead & consistent with MOS:NATIONALITY & WP:ETHNICITY. LRQ 98 (talk) 03:40, 24 January 2026 (UTC)

None of these three references supports the notion that "Zimbabwean–British" is relevant to the subject's notability. The closest is the Pulse Sports page, but the body of that article in no way connects "Zimbabwean–British" to his notability. It just says he grew up in Zimbabwe. The Independent mentions Zimbabwe only three times, again merely as the subject's place of birth. BBC mentions Zimbabwe once in passing. Far better sources would be needed to put "Zimbabwean–British" in our lead. Uhoj (talk) 03:58, 24 January 2026 (UTC)

Thanks, Uhoj — I appreciate the clarification.

Just to note: WP:DUE & MOS:NATIONALITY don’t require that a nationality descriptor be tied to the subject’s notability, only that it reflects how reliable sources identify the person. The standard is whether the descriptor is prominently used in reliable coverage, not whether it is the reason they became notable.

In this case:

• Pulse Sports Nigeria uses “Zimbabwean–British professional boxer” directly in the headline and lead.

• BBC Sport foregrounds his Zimbabwean origins & British identity in the opening biographical framing.

• The Independent opens with his Zimbabwean background & frames him as a British heavyweight.

These sources don’t just mention Zimbabwe incidentally — they present it as part of his identity in the lead or early context. That’s why I believe the descriptor is WP:DUE in the lead and consistent with MOS:NATIONALITY and WP:ETHNICITY. LRQ 98 (talk) 22:13, 24 January 2026 (UTC)

Re: "don’t require that a nationality descriptor be tied to the subject’s notability"

I disagree. The quotes below explicitly require that country of birth be relevant to notability.

Birth and death places, if known, should be mentioned in the body of the article, and can appear in the lead if relevant to notability

— MOS:BIRTHPLACE

neither previous nationalities nor the country of birth should be mentioned in the opening paragraph unless relevant to the subject's notability

— MOS:ETHNICITY

Uhoj (talk) 03:07, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

Thanks, Uhoj — I see what you’re pointing to. Just to clarify: I’m not proposing to include Zimbabwe as a birthplace fact. I’m referencing how reliable sources identify Chisora — specifically as Zimbabwean–British — which falls under MOS:NATIONALITY.

MOS:NATIONALITY allows nationality descriptors in the lead when they’re widely reported in reliable sources. That’s the standard I’ve been applying.

• Pulse Sports Nigeria uses “Zimbabwean–British professional boxer” in the headline & lead.

• BBC Sport foregrounds Zimbabwean origins & British identity in the opening framing.

• The Independent opens with his Zimbabwean background & frames him as a British heavyweight.

This isn’t about birthplace trivia — it’s about how sources identify him. That’s why I believe the descriptor is WP:DUE in the lead & consistent with MOS:NATIONALITY. LRQ 98 (talk) 08:16, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

The arguments being made have become repetitive, so I will be disengaging from this dispute. My opinion is that Zimbabwean should be omitted from the lead. Uhoj (talk) 18:35, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

I see consensus that Zimbabwean should not be in the lead. I'll make the edit.--Jahalive (talk) 21:44, 28 January 2026 (UTC)

There isn’t consensus, & saying there is doesn’t make it true.

You & I clearly disagree, & Uhoj explicitly said they were stepping back — not supporting your position. That’s not consensus by any definition used on Wikipedia. It’s just you deciding you’re done with the discussion.

& for what it’s worth, my position is based on how reliable sources actually describe him & on how MOS:NATIONALITY is normally applied across comparable biographies. Multiple mainstream sources use “Zimbabwean–British” in their own leads or early framing, which is exactly the kind of usage WP:DUE and MOS expect us to reflect. That’s why I’ve been arguing for keeping it — not because of personal preference, but because it matches both sourcing & standard practice.

If you want to change the lead, you need actual agreement from multiple editors, not a declaration. Until then, the current wording stays. LRQ 98 (talk) 12:32, 29 January 2026 (UTC)

I support Jahalive's plan to remove Zimbabwean from the lead for the reasons already given. Uhoj (talk) 15:56, 29 January 2026 (UTC)

This is not consensus. It’s two editors agreeing to remove something while ignoring a third who disagrees — me.

Consensus isn’t a vote, & it isn’t declared by whoever gets tired of discussing. It’s a reasoned agreement based on policy & sources. I’ve cited multiple reliable sources that use “Zimbabwean–British” in their own leads. I’ve explained how MOS:NATIONALITY & WP:DUE apply. That hasn’t been refuted — just dismissed.

Uhoj previously said they were stepping back. Now they’ve offered a brief endorsement of removal. That’s fine — but it doesn’t erase the fact that this is a disputed edit. & disputed edits do not go through without wider input.

If you want to change the lead, you need actual consensus — not a declaration, not a headcount, & not impatience. Until then, the current wording stays. LRQ 98 (talk) 16:26, 29 January 2026 (UTC)