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Persecution Section's Muslim World Section has nothing to do with eastern catholics, and the source says nothing on this either

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Kazakhstan and Albania

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  • On one hand, as of the Annuario Pontificio for 2020, the Albanian Byzantine Church is no longer listed as sui-iuris. Due to the reduction of faithful, the Apostolic Administration for Southern Albania is no longer listed as dependent neither on the Congregation for Oriental Churches nor as subject to the Holy See, but only as sufragan of Archdiocese of Tiranë–Durrës, encompassing both Latin and Byzantine faithful.
  • On the other hand, as of the same Annuario Pontificio for 2020, the newly created Apostolic Administration of Kazakhstan and Central Asia is listed now listed as a sui-iuris Church. The 2022 Annuario kept it also as such. I had the annuario on hand and can confirm it. Curiously enough, looking at wikis in other languages, only the Italian wiki has made such clarification.

I'll wait on confirmation before doing any changes to the table or the narrative.

Having an official sui-iuris Church unlisted would merits IMHO a section on the body of the article on extinct (??) churches. We know that Estonia had a few parishes that were never a jurisdiction. We know about the Church of Georgia, never officially listed, but with ambiguous history. Now, we have the Albanian Church. ~~---- Coquidragon (talk) 18:39, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Coquidragon, that's interesting stuff, and I thank you for keeping us abreast of the developments. That is surely unprecedented in the case of Albania. I understand that the Russian Catholic Church is constantly on the verge, having no hierarchy of its own and a tenuous existence within Russian territory. Elizium23 (talk) 18:49, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Annuario Pontificio 2023

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@Pbritti, as of the most recent Pontifical Yearbook (2023) published by Rome, the Syro-Malabar Church is the most numerous.

The 15 Churches with unified synods by size (as of 2023)

  1. Syro-Malabar: 4,537,342
  2. Ukrainian: 4,295,581
  3. Maronite: 3,543,796
  4. Melkite: 1,545,990
  5. Armenian: 753,945
  6. Chaldean: 646,581
  7. Syro-Malankara: 487,247
  8. Romanian: 473,710
  9. Ruthenian: 365,883 [Not unified]
    1. ...(Eparchy of Mukachevo: 314,560;
    2. ....Metropolis of Pittsburgh: 34,323 (Unified);
    3. ....Exarchate of Praga: 17,000)
  10. Hungarian: 296,830
  11. Coptic: 253,100
  12. Slovakian: 210,061
  13. Eritrean: 173,251
  14. Syrian: 120,679
  15. Ethiopian: 80,568
  16. Italo-Albanian: 55,909 (only other non-unified Church over 50k)
    1. ...(Eparchy of Lungro: 32,500;
    2. ....Eparchy of Piana degli Albanesi: 23,400;
    3. ....Monastery of Grottaferrata: 9 Logosx127 (talk) 01:49, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Logosx127: Considering that you did not cite page numbers, linked to a Google Books entry that does not include a digital copy, and multiple reliable sources published earlier this year corroborate that the UGCC remains the largest, I have a hard time seeing how you verified this information. ~ Pbritti (talk) 01:53, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Pbritti I couldn't find an online reference either. You can refer the book instead. Logosx127 (talk) 01:56, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The multiple reliable sources published this year are actually not reliable and are most probably examples of citogenesis. Logosx127 (talk) 02:01, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You mean to say that the Vatican's official news agency and CNA are unreliable? Because that's not correct. ~ Pbritti (talk) 02:13, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They make use of Wikipedia as well. Hence yes, probably citogenesis. Logosx127 (talk) 02:28, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You have no evidence for this claim of citogenesis, nor am I quite certain about those totals from the AP, given the lack of a verifiable page number. Furthermore, the Syro-Malabar Church's own website confirms that It is the largest Eastern Catholic Church after the Ukrainian Church on the front page. ~ Pbritti (talk) 17:26, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Pbritti Every year, after the publication of the Annuario Pontificio by Rome, an Eastern Catholic Yearbook is published (in Italian) using the data for the Eastern Churches, which is edited by bishop Vartan Waldir Boghossian of the Armenian Catholic Church. The Annuario Orientale Cattolico 2019 states in its page 4, that the Syro-Malabar Church became that year the largest Church. Here is the link to a pdf copy: https://issuu.com/exarmal/docs/annuarioorientale2019_i_a_issuu_2. It has remain so until today. The numbers presented above come from the pages specific to each Church in the current Yearbook 2023. Here is the link to a pdf copy: https://issuu.com/exarmal/docs/annuarioorientale_-_2023_pdf. Does this solve the sources claims? The numbers come directly from the Annuario Pontificio, aggregated in the Annuario Orientale. Narratives take time to update, and people think the Ukrainian Church is still the largest, but it is not so. The Syro-Malabar Church is currently the largest Eastern Catholic Church.--Coquidragon (talk) 14:39, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Coquidragon: I'm struggling to get the ISSUU link to open on my device (I'll double check later on a better computer some other time) but I'll take it on good faith. Thanks for finding a good source on this; feel welcome to revert me. ~ Pbritti (talk) 14:49, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, @Coquidragon. Actually, I had already added the source. It is sad that Pbritti did not look into it prior to reverting my edits. It is intriguing to see that Wikipedia articles were not updated and certainly that is the main reason why the narrative is still outdated. Wikipedia editors need to be more tolerant and less resistant to edits by fellow users here, otherwise this will continue to happen and result in spread of misinformation. Logosx127 (talk) 15:35, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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