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Oligarchy contradiction to Wikipedia article about oligarchy

Under the sub "forms" oligarchy is defined contrary to article and definition of oligarchy. See your wiki page https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligarchy

This article, "https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government", attempts to define oligarchy as rule by wealthy, which is not the definition.

In dictionaries and wiki article defining and discussing oligarchy, it is very clearly defined as rule by minority, rule by few.

It is true that Aristotle concluded that oligarchy would result in wealthy rulers, however that consequence results from, rule by few. Wealth is a common result of decision authority, not a cause of decision authority.

Oligarchy easily becomes plutocracy. Rule by wealthy. However, a democracy, rule by majority can also become a plutocracy. As it is true that wealth is often a result of decision authority.

Therefore a difference between a plutocratic oligarchy and a plutocratic democracy is whether a minority or majority gain wealth by use of decision authority.

I suggest we stop being obtuse on decision process used to organize social structure, (economics), with life and death consequence to humanity as a species and individuals. This is a serious legal matter of decisions of law and policy, not a circus show for public entertainment and delusion. Forfyv (talk) 05:59, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Plato's forms of government

In the "Forms" subsection, the five types of government from The Republic are listed. The order in which they are listed seems to be different from the order in Plato's work (as per the description on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_(Plato)#Book_VIII%E2%80%93IX:_Plato's_five_regimes ), with the middle three being reversed. I have attempted to fix this, but had my change reverted. Was my understanding of the topic wrong? Steven2345 (talk) 16:52, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You are not. I feel whoever is reverting it isn’t checking the source material for accuracy or they’re misrepresenting the order to make democracy appear more favorable than Plato had written. The correct order from most ideal government to worst government is 1.Aristocracy(Best but also supposed as an ideal form), 2.Timocracy(Which occurs at the error of whom the philosopher king leaves their rule in the event of their death), 3.Oligarchy(When the honor based pursuits of the powerful change to pursuits of wealth), 4.Democracy(following revolution of a class struggle between the wealthy and poor and becomes subject to the rule by the people), 5.Tyranny(the poor and discontented eventually seek a champion to seize power). 173.3.194.110 (talk) 04:30, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrect category placement

Parliamentary republic with an executive presidency fits within a parliamentary system and not a presidential system. 193.31.64.10 (talk) 22:05, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"Gubmint" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Gubmint has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 July 11 § Gubmint until a consensus is reached. Thepharoah17 (talk) 21:53, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Poland is a parliamentary republic

User:Svito3 Did you have any personal agenda, when you changed Poland's political system from the established long-standing consensus of it being parliamentary to semi-presidential, pretending like Ukraine is in any way similar to Poland? Ukraine is well-known as a semi-presidential system, whereas in Poland the power of the president is incomparably weaker, and the power of the prime minister incomparably greater. The Prime Minister sets policy, appoints ministers, the president is but a stop-gap and figurehead. A veto power does not a semi-presidential system make, when you look at actual such systems like in France or Ukraine, you'll see that there politics revolves around the President, he sets policy and appoints government ministers and the prime ministers & so on (of course the parliament elected in separate parliamentary elections has to approve the President's propositions in such a system).

I'm totally befuddled why you would liken Poland to Ukraine in this regard. In any regard! Mrgoodboss (talk) 04:59, 22 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]