Talk:Palestinian pottery

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Verification tag

I have removed it. Here is the quote from Needler pertaining to that section:

Modern Palestinian pots, bowls, jars, jugs and cups are similar in shape to their ancient equivalents and show how persistently the potter's craft clung to tradition through the centuries. Fabric and decoration also recall ancient methods; the clay is of much the same composition and is shaped, smoothed and baked in the same way, and the surfaces are often decorated in similar painted, incised, or moulded techniques.

Tiamat 12:16, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Arabic Potter

while reading this article, i couldnt stop but wondering of the similarities, if not, exact features between Pottery of Palestine, in the past 1400 years, and the rest of the Arab world, in tunisia, Syria, Egypt, Yemeni... etc... what about re-creating the Article under the name of Arabic pottery?? Arab League User (talk) 00:12, 18 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Merge

Propose to merge History of pottery in Palestine -> Pottery in Palestine. The history article is merely 36kb while this article is less than 10kb; the merged article would be much richer.GreyShark (dibra) 06:43, 8 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

With no objections for more than two weeks, i'm merging as proposed.GreyShark (dibra) 10:04, 24 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Palestinian pottery was the original title of this article

When was it renamed and how? I see no discussion of it at all here. Tiamut (talk) 11:17, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Have restored the original more limited scope article as Palestinian pottery is a living handicraft with its own distinct history & traditions. However, for some reason this talk page is still title Talk:Levantine pottery. Have asked the Help desk for help in cleaning up the page confusion. Tiamut (talk) 11:43, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You did an improper cut-and-paste move, rather than a move using the proper process which would also move the talk page to the new title, but at this point you should stop and not do anything else. More shortly. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 12:57, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It seems that the scope of the former Palestinian pottery article evolved over time to incorporate all Levantine pottery rather than Palestinian pottery specifically. I don't see any specific discussion about that, but it seems to have happened around the time of the proposal to merge History of pottery in Palestine article into Pottery in Palestine (the latter is this page) in 2017. That seems to have made the article into a history of pottery from the geographic region, rather than contemporary Palestinian pottery specifically, and eventually the name was changed to reflect what the article was then actually about. It's a thing that can happen sometimes.

If we want to restore the Palestinian pottery article, some technical work needs to be done to make sure that the contribution histories attach to the correct pages (a history split). I can do that, but I would like to see that there is consensus to restore the former article before doing the work, because it will not be simple to reverse. Let me see what else I can find. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 13:01, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, thank you, this is exactly what happened. I was on a rather long hiatus during that time. I discovered the change because I am working on a draft for User:Tiamut/Palestinian folklore. And I was rather shocked that the article about this Palestinian handicraft had become a large, amorphous article on Levantine pottery in general. Sorry for acting hastily. But there is a genuine need for the small, former article solely on Palestinian pottery. Tiamut (talk) 13:27, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Just to underline the distinctiveness & importance, a few more sources. Would also like to expand this article to include Palestinian ceramics:

Having looked into it further, what seems to have happened is Greyshark09 proposed to merge History of pottery in Palestine into Pottery in Palestine in 2017, and then performed the merge when nobody objected. However, they merged the much larger article into the smaller one, and kind of obliterated that topic in the process (inadvertently, nobody has done anything wrong here). I think that merge should have happened in the opposite direction. What I'm going to do now is split the page history at the merge, restore the older history to the original article, merge the newer history to the redirect currently at History of pottery in Palestine, and then move the pages back to where they currently are. All of the pages affected will be briefly deleted by this process, but don't worry, I will restore them. There may be some more untangling to do afterwards but this seems like the most correct approach. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 18:54, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Done, I think. I will copy this discussion to Talk:Palestinian pottery and continue from there. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 19:17, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much for diligently investigating & taking the time to set everything in order again. Much appreciated really. Tiamut (talk) 19:21, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Tiamut: I've restored the article history up to the point where it was merged away in 2017, and restored the content you added today. However, the revision you restored seems to be from 2009, and may have erased useful content that was added in the eight intervening years. You may want to check for any useful information that can be added from that subsequent work. Restoring content from an old revision onto the same page doesn't create an attribution problem, so feel free. There's a bit more housekeeping to do but you can go ahead and work on this. Cheers. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 19:31, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Ivanvector: Thanks again for everything. Plan to turn my attention to in-depth redevelopment of this article very soon. Working on several folklore & cultural articles all at once right now, but will settle down shortly. Tiamut (talk) 19:48, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Tiamut. As an actual potter (by hobby) and a pottery aficionado, I can appreciate the desire to have an article just on a specific type of pottery, with unique origin, style, materials, etc.

Something that might help (possibly) is if you add more specific categories to the bottom of the page to show the original intent/preferences for the scope of the article. Most of the categories on this article are fairly broad. (If you're not sure how to add categories let me know and I can try to help). Adding more specific categories can also draw in other editors with expertise on the topic.

There are several subcategories at Category:Pottery that might be a good fit for this article. There are also subcategories at Category:Ceramics, although the ceramics categories seem more about the chemistry stuff vs styles of pottery. Hope that helps!

Will certainly look through the categories you suggested. I would appreciate any help you can offer because I do not have much experience with categories and while I have read a lot about Palestinian pottery (& own several pieces), I am not very fluent in the craft itself. Thank you for your interest and advice. Tiamut (talk) 20:52, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Could you help me add Tabun as a sub-category of kilns for example? Because that was the traditional oven used to bake pottery (& bread). Tiamut (talk) 20:54, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]