Template talk:Infobox song contest

Sanremo Music Festival 2021
Sanremo Music Festival 2021
Dates and venue
Semi-final 1	2 March 2021;
Semi-final 2	3 March 2021;
Semi-final 3	4 March 2021;
Semi-final 4	5 March 2021;
Final	6 March 2021;
Venue	Teatro Ariston ; (Sanremo, Liguria, Italy)
Organisation
Broadcaster	Rai 1, Rai Radio 2, Rai Italia, Eurovision
Musical director	Leonardo De Amicis
Artistic director	Amadeus
Presenters	Amadeus and Fiorello
Big Artists section
Number of entries	26
Winner	Måneskin; "Zitti e buoni"
Newcomers' section
Number of entries	8
Winner	Gaudiano; "Polvere da sparo"
	2020 ← Sanremo Music Festival → 2022 ;

This template was considered for deletion on 2014 December 17. The result of the discussion was "keep".

website parameter

Should this template have an 'official website' parameter? I had come to the Eurovision 2020 page on the assumption that I would find the official website linked from the infobox, so - based on that entirely unscientific case-study of 1 - perhaps other people are too. By comparison Template:Infobox tournament does have a website parameter. Witty lama 09:38, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I know that the above comment is over a year old, but I agree that it is useful. If I knew how to I'd add it. ―JochemvanHees (talk) 22:41, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Remove empty headers from infobox?

Hi, I am not very familiar with infobox templates, but is it possible to remove sections if they are empty? For example, in the Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2021 article, the participants column is currently emtpy, and it looks like someone forgot to put something in there. So it would be helpful if the header was gone too. ―JochemvanHees (talk) 22:39, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I added it on the sandbox (line 55), is it good? ―JochemvanHees (talk) 23:54, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done since no one objected. ―JochemvanHees (talk) 11:11, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion about interval acts

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Eurovision regarding the interval acts field. The thread is Opening & interval acts in the infobox. Thank you. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 21:59, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Add parameters for televote and jury winners?

I think we should add parameters for the televote and the jury winners, to make the result more detailed in all eurovision contests after 2009. ―Mike4992 (talk) 07:51, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think that would make sense, although I think that if the parameter is added, it should only be used for 2016 onwards; since that was when the jury and televote became split. Talking about jury and televote winners before 2016 makes it look like it's part of the official results somehow. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 08:51, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Merging Template:Infobox Sanremo Music Festival

I noticed that there was a TfD a while ago that resulted in merging Template:Infobox Sanremo Music Festival into here, but that merge was never carried out. I have therefore taken the initiative to make a series of edits to Template:Infobox song contest/sandbox implementing this merge. This requires a lot of changes, since this template was clearly only made for Eurovision; I have now made it more versatile as to support any kind of song contest (hopefully). These are the changes I made, which I hope cover everything from the Sanremo infobox:

Added an |artistic director= parameter.
Added an |alt= parameter (which is a good idea anyway).
Added a |competing= parameter. It defaults to countries, but you can set it so that something else is competing (for example, with |competing=artists it will say "Returning artists" instead of "Returning countries").
Added support for multiple sections that use numbered parameters (like |entries1= instead of |entries=), so that both the Big Artists section and the Newcomers' section can be supported.
Added various aliases of existing parameters, to make conversion a little easier:
- |image=, alias of |logo=;
- |imagesize=, alias of |size=;
- |broadcaster=, alias of |host=;
- |orchestra leader=, alias of |musdirector=.
I have not included the |big artist songs= and |newcomer songs= parameters, since as far as I can tell they are never different from the number of acts, so it seems useless to me. Correct me if I'm wrong though.
I also decided to not include the |Eurovision process= and |Eurovision entry= parameters, since I feel like it is better to put this in prose anyway than how it is now.

Furthermore, the template documentation should be expanded quite a bit to generalise it also for non-Eurovision contests, and to show which params should be used for which contest. Any feedback on any of this is welcome. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 22:29, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Jochem van Hees: Thanks very much for initiating this! I definitely support efforts to generalise this template further and to allow it to be used for a wide variety of contests. Many of the above changes would be definitely welcome, particularly for other contests which use orchestras or live music (e.g. Festivali i Këngës), and adding additional aliases is always a good idea to allow diversity of use. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 17:06, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@ImStevan: Hi, I see you've made some changes to the template as well to make it work for the American Song Contest. The changes I made to the sandbox made this template work for any song contest, which I personally think is better. Most of your changes can be accomplished with the |competing= parameter I added, but I thought you made some other good changes as well (such as the qualification round dates), so I merged those with my changes on the sandbox. I'm not so sure about the new nul points parameters though, since that can happen in any of the previous rounds so you'd need one parameter for every round. And also I don't know if it's that noteworthy anyway for the infobox. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 20:51, 12 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Jochem van Hees: okay, just tell me which template to use and i'll stick to it in the future (for ASC). I just thought the null would be useful depending on the format of the show, considering we have 6 shows, cramming all nulls into a single one could be kinda hard. At the same time, if jull is nearly impossible, we can keep only one just in case. It's just a matter of time. ImStevan (talk) 21:14, 12 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If I recall correctly, with the Eurovision Song Contest, the parameter is currently only used to list the nul points for the final, not the semi-finals. I thought it'd be the same for the American Song Contest, but you're right we'll have to see how the format turns out. With my proposal btw you'd still be using {{Infobox song contest}} except you set |competing=states to make sure it says that states are competing rather than countries.―Jochem van Hees (talk) 21:25, 12 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Jochem van Hees: Good idea. I assume the "competing" label can be used for any string data (countries, states, artists) since this is (if i understood correctly) gonna be used for Sanremo aswell? ImStevan (talk) 01:27, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, that's the idea. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 15:09, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Also it might not be a bad idea to add a null points for semi finals in the esc infobox? Tt usually happens in a semi final once a year in either jury or tele, so it could be useful. ImStevan (talk) 01:26, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think you're right, although looking back I haven't been able to find any occurence of nul points in the semi-finals in the past ten years. This is probably because there are fewer countries in the semis so there's a higher chance that you'll get at least 1 point from any given country. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 15:09, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Jochem van Hees: only if u look at the combined result only, if u take into account jury and tele nulls, that's a diff story ImStevan (talk) 16:46, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Jochem van Hees, is this ready to go live? Primefac (talk) 11:45, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, yes it is. The only thing that still needs to be done is replacing the infoboxes in the articles. I'm on a wikibreak rn though, I don't think I have time to do that. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 13:37, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have started replacing the infoboxes. If someone wants to help, I'd recommend going from the oldest contest to newest, since I'm doing the reverse order. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 21:41, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Order of parameters

Why does "Winning song" come after "Nul points in final" – and indeed why is it at the very bottom of the infobox, coming long after some much less important factoids? --Theurgist (talk) 18:14, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Theurgist: sorry for only noticing this just now. I think putting the winner above nul points makes sense, but where else would you suggest putting it? I think that putting that section after the hosting info and participants makes sense, and those simply take up quite a bit of space. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 00:55, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Jochem van Hees: Maybe place that section above the map, and make the map also highlight the winner, so as to reflect both the "Participants" and "Vote" sections.

I think the other sections could be trimmed down. The usually quite long "Opening act" and "Interval act" bits aren't notable enough for the infobox, as those performers are neither organizers nor competitors, but invited guests. Also, "Returning countries" and "Non-returning countries" are too trivial, especially for a contest such as Eurovision where participation is voluntary and not a matter of qualification or something. --Theurgist (talk) 22:44, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion about this infobox

There is currently a discussion at Talk:Eurovision Song Contest 2024 regarding provisional information in the infobox. The thread is Why is it disallowed to inform readers that a country is returning to the contest, after having not participated in the most recent edition.. Thank you. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 21:15, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Heat 5

I tried to edit the template to include a parameter for heat 5 (a new feature in Melodifestivalen 2024) but I only ended up making a mess. Could someone do the job? Thanks in advance! 〜イヴァンスクルージ九十八［IvanScrooge98］（会話） 09:33, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Just for future reference you have to increase or decrease every field value by one when making a change, not just for the section you are adding to or removing from. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 10:20, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"As of" in participants section

A while ago I proposed adding a |participants update= parameter to indicate that the info in the participants section is provisional, and a few people said they liked it. I then forgot about it though and didn't actually apply the changes, and now a different solution is being used on Eurovision Song Contest 2024. You can see how it looks in the testcases. Shall I just go ahead and apply the changes anyway? ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 12:35, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I prefer this solution over the efn, so I'd definitely support applying this change. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 13:17, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Blue in map

I see that we have incorporated the suggested blue for uncertain countries, but I feel a more pastel shade of blue (closer to the one in the original suggestion) would be a better choice, to me the vibrant colors feel like they signify the country has confirmed something (which they have not in this case) Aleki37 (talk) 14:17, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm indifferent on the color. @ImStevan: did you confirm that "hadn't participated in the past but broadcast the show delayed" wasn't being used before you overwrote it? I can't remember why it exists, but if it's in there, it was likely being used somewhere? Grk1011 (talk) 14:50, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Grk1011: It was being used in Congratulations: 50 Years of the Eurovision Song Contest but the parameter is defined in the article, so the change to the default writing makes no difference there. @Aleki37: I feel like this color is more neutral as it is darker so it doesn't stick out as much as the pastel blue compared to the darker purple and yellow — IмSтevan ^talk 15:08, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Made a new parameter for this just in case — IмSтevan ^talk 15:19, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Template changes

Following some of the additions that ImStevan introduced to accommodate unique aspects of Intervision 2025, it got me thinking about the current layout of this template. I made some changes in the sandbox, which you can see in the testcases page. I've also outlined the changes below:

Moved the "organising_entity" field to a separate label, so that both organiser and host broadcaster could be listed for EBU contests
Reorganised the headers to split the original "Host" section into three new sections: "Organisation", "Production" and "Contest", which each focussing on different aspects of the show
- "Organisation" to include organising entity, host broadcaster and for EBU contests the ESC director and exec supervisor roles
- "Production" focussing on the actual production roles, exec producer, director, musical and artistic directors
- "Contest" including the venue, presenters and link to website

I would appreciate any feedback or comments on these changes, including further changes or additions which could be made. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 09:09, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Sims2aholic8, I like your changes. But I don't really like the "contest" section for two reasons: first, the title itself (isn't there a better title?), and second, the necessity of that section itself, i.e., venue could go with the dates in a "when/where" section, and presenters could easily go in the "production" section, and the link doesn't make sense in a section like that, maybe it fits better at the end (normally links go at the end).

And internally, the "organizing_entity" parameter I think is best as simply "organizer", (like "broadcaster").

And just to let you know, I think it's easy for me to run the bot to add the EBU to the ESC contests info boxes easily. Ferclopedio (talk) 09:23, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Ferclopedio: I had the same thoughts re. the "contest" section, but I just didn't know where best to put those two fields when the top section is "Dates" and also I struggled to come up with a better title. I get your point with putting presenters in "Production", but in some ways it feels a bit strange to list such a visible role, i.e. the on-camera talent, with the people working behind-the-scenes. Maybe merging both venue and presenters with dates would make sense? I just don't know what the section title would be. "organizing_entity" was the field name created by ImStevan, but I would also agree that this could be tweaked to be a bit simpler.

One other thing to add: if we continue to use "organised/organisation", we will have to make allowances for US spelling somehow, for events like the American Song Contest and the OTI Festival (i.e. "organized/organization"). Sims2aholic8 (talk) 09:31, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Sims2aholic8, we could simply rename "Dates" section to "Dates and venue" or "Dates and place" or "Date and location" or something similar. And I see correct to add presenters to the "production" team as they are part of it, as a "cast and crew" section (they usually go together).

And we have the same localization problem with both "organizing_entity" and with "organizer", you simply need to accept both "organizer" and "organiser" as a simpler parameter. Ferclopedio (talk) 09:45, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is less with the actual field names, it's with how the labels are displayed, i.e. we will need functionality that can turn "Organised by" into "Organized by" and "Organisation" into "Organization", as needed. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 09:47, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That is as simple as if you use the "organised" parameter, you show "Organised by", and if you use "organized" you show "Organized by", isn't that feasible? Ferclopedio (talk) 09:49, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

True! Ok I've made those suggested changes, let me know how it looks to you now! :) Sims2aholic8 (talk) 09:59, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I see it clean and neat. The infobox makes much more sense now. :)

We just need ~~to test the organized/organized thing and~~(TESTED) see where the link falls. Ferclopedio (talk) 10:05, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Only one wish. The vertical separator can be slight moved to the left in order the EBU fits in two lines instead of three.? Ferclopedio (talk) 10:07, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Now that I look at it, it's not a little strange to show "Executive producer" and "Director" but show "Presenter(s)" when in the three fields in the example are more than one person? Ferclopedio (talk) 10:23, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I had the exact same thought! It's mainly because traditionally those roles have been served by one person, but in recent years because of the size and scale of ESC now it needs multiple people. I've now made put roles in the singular. It's interesting what you ask about the vertical spacing, because for me the "Organised by" line is already two lines, so that may be a display issue. I've changed the label to be 45% of the width of the infobox, let me know how that looks. If we go any smaller, then the exec supervisor label will end up being split across two lines. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 10:35, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I saw your spacing changes live, and I agree that going smaller mess things up too much. :)

I see fine like it is now. Having a little more space for the values, will make the infobox more compact in general, although one label rolls off. Ferclopedio (talk) 10:48, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I don't like how "Non-returning countries" is now over two lines, but it may be difficult to get everything perfect with the current labels and expected field values. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 10:51, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Non-returning countries will always be the last label of its section, so it's really not an issue. I made several edits just to make the infobox have consistent values. I also allowed the roles mentioned above to be served by one or multiple people, and have the number be consistent with the labels. I like the current sandbox version — IмSтevan ^talk 13:29, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@ImStevan, there is some kind of problem with the "directors" parameter in the sandbox, the testcase preview says that is an unknown parameter, although it shows correctly in the infobox. Ferclopedio (talk) 16:33, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Forgot to include it in the parameter filter. Should be all good now — IмSтevan ^talk 16:38, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't the "organized by" information a bit pointless since all contests have been organised by the EBU? The FIFA World Cup infoboxes don't have "organised by: FIFA" either. EurovisionLibrarian (talk) 11:46, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see it pointless. I see it as one principal piece of information; it doesn't make much sense to show information from all the other involved stakeholders and not from the main organizer. I don't understand why the World Cup infoboxes don't have a link to FIFA (or to the main article of the competition) somewhere.

Besides, the infobox is also used by non EBU events, so not always the value will be EBU. Ferclopedio (talk) 12:11, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Some contests not organized by the EBU include American Song Contest, Eurovision Latin America, Asia Pacific Song Contest, ABU Song Festival, Intervision, etc. — IмSтevan ^talk 13:07, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Sims2aholic8, I've been staring at the new design in the test cases, and a question has arisen to me: wouldn't the host broadcasters be better in the "production" section instead? I mean, (usually) people in the "organisation" section were appointed by EBU and the people in the "production" section by the host broadcaster.

And with the new design, we will have collateral damages. I mean, in other contests that won't use the "organiser" parameter, (presumably, Melodifestivalen and Sanremo), the host broadcaster will appear alone in the "organisation" section, and the rest of the information in the "production" section. Ferclopedio (talk) 12:20, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Ferclopedio: That is a valid point actually! I've made that change in the sandbox now, and I agree that it does make sense. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 12:27, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nice! :) Ferclopedio (talk) 12:30, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Why do we keep using "debuting countries" even if the parameter is "None"? This value of the infobox has been used once since 2009 (in 2015) and will be rarely used, if ever again. Can we just stop adding a value to it? — IмSтevan ^talk 18:45, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That is about to decide not to use the "none" value in those parameters rather than to change something in the infobox code, right?

I would see ok not to use "none" in any of the three parameters "Debuting countries", "Returning countries" and "Non-returning countries". If the entry doesn't appear in the infobox its means no country implicitly. It doesn't offer us much that a "none" appears there. Ferclopedio (talk) 19:02, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. I see no point in writing "None" instead of just not using the parameter — IмSтevan ^talk 00:40, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If everybody's okay with it, could Ferclopedio run a bot to replace instances of = None with = in ESC and JESC articles? — IмSтevan ^talk 10:49, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

When we make the new infobox design official, if everyone agrees to remove the "Nones", I can run the bot to add the EBU and remove the "Nones", all at once in one shot. Ferclopedio (talk) 11:15, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm agnostic as to keeping "none" in the infobox for debut, returning and non-returning. I think there is a case to be made for keeping "none"s for returning/non-returning whenever there are past participants which could have theoretically taken part in a given contest, however if it's simpler and more consistent to remove all "none"s then I am happy to accede. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 08:23, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I've added an additional test case for Melodifestivalen 2025 to see how any proposed changes look there as well. I'd love to figure out a better way of displaying the venues for a contest held across multiple locations (right now the Melfest 2025 article doesn't include venues within the infobox); I had considered maybe displaying the venue underneath the date? Any thought would be very welcome. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 14:37, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Sims2aholic8, check out the test cases to see what that looks like! Ferclopedio (talk) 19:22, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I already added a "venues" parameter. You can do:

|venues = {{ubl|'''Heats:'''|First venue, city|Second venue, city|Third venue, city|Fourth venue, city|Fifth venue, city|'''Final:'''|Strawberry Arena, Stockholm}} — IмSтevan ^talk 16:27, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think that of the three versions we have tested, the clearest and most understandable is the one with each venue below its date. I don't know how feasible that version is and whether it will cause side effects, but it's the one I like the most.

It may be worth stopping patching the venue parameter or manually using the "ubl" and just creating a venue parameter for each heat, to make it easier to edit and maintain the infobox in a consistent and coherent manner. Ferclopedio (talk) 19:49, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'll do that asap — IмSтevan ^talk 20:12, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Done — IмSтevan ^talk 21:22, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, that looks awesome!.

And a (let's hope it's the) last thing, in the Melodifest, the info of SVT and the production staff is under the "Organisation" header. In this case (and similar ones), yes SVT is the organiser and the producer altogether, but I see a little contradictory that that information for the ESC is under "Production" and for the Melodifest under "Organisation". Wouldn't it be better to put it under "Production" and leave "Organisation" only for when there is an entity higher than the host broadcaster coordinating the whole thing?

For the ESC, these sections are not so independent in the end, because the host broadcaster is involved in the organization and the EBU in the production. Therefore, I wouldn't find it inconsistent that SVT is under "Production" at Melodifest, even if it is also the one organizing it (which would be understood implicitly). What do you think? Ferclopedio (talk) 07:48, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I guess you're right. Any suggestions as to how to fix this? — IмSтevan ^talk 07:57, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know. And overthinking it, maybe in this case we must find a third header, because the "host broadcaster" label has also lost its meaning. SVT is not just the host broadcaster of the "Melodifest", "host" in this case has no sense. Ferclopedio (talk) 08:11, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I literally had this same thought around the wording of "host broadcaster", it really doesn't fit when placed on articles outside of the EBU-organised contests. I've modified the sandbox version now to switch the label if "broadcaster" is used to write just "Broadcaster", with "host" and "host_broadcaster" defaulting to "Host broadcaster". I don't know if there's a better way to describe a broadcasting company that organises, produces and airs a given contest, but open to ideas! Sims2aholic8 (talk) 11:19, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Seen like that, a broadcasting company that organises, produces, airs a given contest, owns the format and the brand, and etc. for what concerns us is the "Organiser". The fact that it is a broadcaster, becomes something secondary, it is the entity responsible of all that. Labeling it simply as "broadcaster" might give the wrong idea that it's just the broadcaster of the show.

At the ESC, the EBU, as the "Organizer", is responsible for all of that, but it specifically delegates the production of the event itself to the host broadcaster, hence the two sections. At Melodifest, SVT is responsible for everything and runs everything on its own, so it might make sense to keep SVT as the "Organiser" of the whole thing, under the "Organisation" section, and with the production staff there. (Yes, this may contradict what I said before, but we're going around in circles trying to find the best way to make sense of it :) Ferclopedio (talk) 19:34, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Or to loop the loop, let the header be "Organisation and production" when the "Organiser" runs everything. Ferclopedio (talk) 19:39, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have found NFs like Pesma za Evroviziju '25 or Benidorm Fest 2024 that use Organiser parameters like "Supervisor" or "Executive supervisor", so this reinforce my theory that in those cases RTS and RTVE are the "Organisers" because those entries must be below the Organiser, and now they would appear above the "Broadcaster" (I have tested this). Ferclopedio (talk) 09:42, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Are we now finally good to implement the changes? — IмSтevan ^talk 09:58, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The reason the "organiser" label was introduced was to have a place for non-broadcasters to be listed somewhere within the infobox; I think it is a given that if there is a broadcaster, without another organiser listed, that it is the main organiser. If there are "executive supervisor" roles listed on other contests then I don't believe they are listed correctly; the exec supervisor role is invariably an external role in my opinion, as in someone from an external company to the broadcaster is supervising the contest. I still believe the "Organisation" and "Production" headers are the most appropriate, but what we need to do is determine what other roles might need to be added to the "Production" section, if the "supervisor" role is being used elsewhere. I think other contests are misusing titles as well, e.g. Melfest where Karin Gunnarson is listed as "artistic director", whereas her role in Swedish ("tävlingsproducent" or "contest/competition producer" in English) is not exactly synonymous with any role we have listed. That tells me we are probably missing roles and this probably needs a total rethink. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 12:58, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What if we simply introduced parameters such as "|staff1_title =" and "|staff1 =", with each contest simply inserting the roles which are appropriate for it? It'd feel overwhelming to have to write parameters for dozens of different roles — IмSтevan ^talk 16:31, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, there are roles misused and the people there may need to be reviewed. In Benidorm Fest, the "Directors of Benidorm Fest" are labeled also as "artistic director" in the infobox. But what doesn't make sense is to start adding new roles just to populate the infobox. Only some top roles are likely to appear, not all of them. The responsibilities of a production are limited and similar everywhere, and we are not going to cover all the different names used for the same responsibility either. We'll probably need to fine-tune some labels, perhaps create a "chief competition responsible", but it could also be that we don't need some people to be added.

And just to note that the "Broadcaster" label is not so evident that is for the "broadcaster organising the event". There are people who associate "Broadcaster" to where the event was broadcast, because we have "Programma nazionale", "Rete Uno", or "Rai 1" in the Sanremo articles and "La 1" in the Benidorm Fest articles. Ferclopedio (talk) 09:39, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've now created some "role agnostic" fields which can be used as and when needed, which are placed below the permanent roles and above the presenters. If there ends up being particular labels that are more common than others once we update these infoboxes then we can look again at these fields.

As for the meaning behind the "broadcaster", I think that the examples you listed are examples of how this field should not be used. We already have the "Broadcasts" section of the article for this very reason (which is included on the Sanremo articles, and should be included in all relevant song contests articles), so listing them in the infobox as well seems to be overkill, especially when you consider a lot of these contests are also aired internationally. Of course not every contest is going to be comparable to the ESC set-up, but if there is one main broadcasting company that is responsible for the TV production aspects of the show, then I believe the overall organisation should be listed and not the individual channels within that country that are airing the contest. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 13:03, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]