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AfC notification: Draft:Alternative DSM-5 Model for Personality disorders has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Alternative DSM-5 Model for Personality disorders. Thanks! Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 13:21, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have worked on improving the citations, and published an update to the article. In case the citations still have to be worked upon, please specify how, in case it is not absolutely obvious. Your comment was helpful, though, and I do also personally agree in retrospect regarding the need for improvement of citations. I am fairly new to editing and building upon Wikipedia, so any advice and help is appreciated, especially if it is conducive to making my contributions valuable to Wikipedia, and in this case to the article being suitable for approval. Vasaras kruīzi Tallink (talk) 23:00, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have sent you a note about a page you started

Hi BlockArranger. Thank you for your work on Alternative DSM-5 model for personality disorders. Another editor, Klbrain, has reviewed it as part of new pages patrol and left the following comment:

Thanks for your careful crafting of this well-written article. You've spend some time working on it in draft, then moved it the main space at the right time. The only things that other editors and I have done since then is to add categories (helpful for finding articles), and moving the title to be consistent with MOS:AT. It's good to see that this alternative model has also had specific discussion in peer-reviewed sources, demonstrating its independent notability.

To reply, leave a comment here and begin it with {{Re|Klbrain}}. (Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.)

Klbrain (talk) 18:04, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Klbrain:

Thank you for notifying me and for the feedback! BlockArranger (talk) 18:21, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sam Vaknin

Thanks for the long overdue edits on Sam Vaknin. You have made a great, thoughtful, and thorough job.

Vaknin came up with additional concepts such as "sadistic supply" and "projective splitting", among many others. He also originated the new proposed diagnoses of "covert borderline" and "covert psychopath". Zorandimitrovskiskopje (talk) 07:40, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Zorandimitrovskiskopje Covert Borderline is actually briefly mentioned in the article, I I am not mistaken, but yes, the text about his theories could be expanded. BlockArranger (talk) 11:10, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the citations: http://www.mediafire.com/file/3agfcor0gzgz04p/vakninisrael.zip Many media interviews here (most in Hebrew) about his time in Geneva, Paris, and New-York. I will do some digging. I distinctly remember an English-language article about his time in Geneva. I also remember a YT vid he made about he rejected his initial diagnosis in the 1980s.Zorandimitrovskiskopje (talk) 04:54, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Zorandimitrovskiskopje Sure, it's good if you can find stuff there, but I sounds like it's still his own claims reported by several people and organizations. It would be good if we could get our hands on independent coverage of him. BlockArranger (talk) 14:59, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. Found an English language article in a Geneva newspaper about his presence and activities there, so this is beyond doubt. Also, clips from many Israeli newspapers who interviewed him in all these locations (I am told by my translator friend). Actually, Vaknin made all these available on his CV in a zip file. Also found a video interview where he confirmed that he rejected his diagnosis.Zorandimitrovskiskopje (talk) 08:02, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I want you to know that I really appreciate your edits on Vaknin.(talk) 13:32, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Zorandimitrovskiskopje I am happy that my contributions are valued! BlockArranger (talk) 11:23, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the Primary Sources tag on the Sam Vaknin article, can we work on this together? There are hundreds of secondary sources about Vaknin, but I am not sure where to insert them in the article. Can I send you 5-10 secondary sources each time and you will decide what to do with them (there are about 400 that I found)? I can also send you all the links at once. If you agree to work together on this project (secondary sources for Sam Vaknin article), where should I send you the links? Here, in the Talk page? I appreciate what you are doing, good job. Zorandimitrovskiskopje (talk) 10:54, 20 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Well, 400 seems a bit much, but I can surely attempt to help you if you give me a few; I can explain how I turn such a source into a citation. However, I am sure that you can also learn how to make a citation by reading Help:Referencing for beginners, Wikipedia:Citing sources and Help:Introduction to referencing (VE)/1 (in order to get a brief overview of the VisualEditor). Usually, it is easy to use ISBN or Digital object identifier (DOI) in order to create a citation automatically, but if you do not have those, or an URL, it is not all too difficult to fill in the name of the author, the publisher, language, pages, source title and so on. Sources available online are good for easy WP:VERIFIABILITY, but WP:OFFLINE sources are fine too! If something is available online, be sure to use an archiving service such as the Wayback Machine in order to make sure the source remains intact and accessible for the foreseeable future. You may also want to insert specific quotes in your citations, especially if the sources are offline. This is easily done by filling in the Quote field in the citation editor in VisualEditor. Just make sure it is brief enough not to be plagiarism. BlockArranger (talk) 21:08, 20 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I apologize for being unclear. My problem is that I am not sure which secondary sources to include and where in the article to include them. I would like you to be "in charge" of this. This is why I suggested to forward to you 5-10 secondary sources each time and you, when you find the time, make the decision to insert them in the article or not and also where in the article they should be. Is this method of working acceptable to you? Thank you for your kind response. Zorandimitrovskiskopje (talk) 10:03, 21 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Like: I would do the research, find secondary sources - and you will do the selection and placement of the secondary sources in the article. Zorandimitrovskiskopje (talk) 10:04, 21 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I can surely attempt to help you if you give me a sample, but as the proverb goes: wikt:give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. Thus, I intend to attempt to guide you in regards to how to select sources based on the sample I receive. For example, I could try to clarify how you can determine which sources are adequate and where they should go. For placement, I suggest that you should read MOS:CITEPUNCT and WP:CONSECUTIVECITE. For secondary sources, please attempt to make sure that each such source is WP:RELIABLE, which means that, for example, it ought to be published in a reputable source (like a famous journal or newspaper) instead of for example in a predatory journal. BlockArranger (talk) 00:18, 22 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

OK, let's go fishing! Let's start with two examples: Search | Psychology Today What would you do with these articles in Psychology Today, all of them citing Vaknin's work?

Another example: Unadulterated Arrogance: Autopsy of the Narcissistic Parental Alienator: The American Journal of Family Therapy: Vol 34 , No 5 - Get Access Vaknin's work is cited in this article, but the full text is behind a firewall. Zorandimitrovskiskopje (talk) 13:51, 22 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

While Psychology Today is pop psychology, it is probably fair game when it comes to discussing Vaknin's viewpoints. For example, this article could work for backing up the claim that, for example, "Vaknin points out that narcissists' intractions with others make it likely for those others to mistreat said narcissists", perhaps with some structural improvements. This other article can be user for additional verification regarding Vaknin's theory on primary and secondary narcissistic supply. Trial and error is your friend in learning the ropes; I suggest you attempt, for example, to insert one of these or another source for which the URL will likely be sufficient for automatic generation of a citation (I suggest adding an archived version). If something would go wrong, you or anyone else can always go ahead and revert. When it comes to the article behind a paywall, you can still cite it (again, automatically using its DOI). I suggest adding a specific quote within the citation if you want to verify something specific. I checked it out but did not have time to read it; perhaps I will in the future, but what I did not is that it again works for describing Vaknin's work on narcissism. BlockArranger (talk) 19:10, 22 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks. I will get to work. Zorandimitrovskiskopje (talk) 14:27, 24 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the "citations needed" for his private life: there is an archive of press clippings (95% of them in Hebrew). His birthplace, his parentage, his family are documented in interviews and articles, at least in 30 of them (according to my Jewish community friend who is a court translator from Hebrew). His parents and siblings are also interviewed and often the location of the interviews is identified as his birth city (Kiryat Yam). According to these press items, his father was born in Morocco and his mother in Turkey and both emigrated to Israel in the 1950s. Moroccan and Turkish Jews are Sephardi. Here is the link to all the press cuttings: http://www.mediafire.com/file/3agfcor0gzgz04p/vakninisrael.zip Please let me know how you wish to proceed and if there is anything I can do to help.Zorandimitrovskiskopje (talk) 09:57, 26 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I rearranged the sections under "Views on Narcissism", expanded some of the texts and added sources. Please give me some time to expand each of the sections and add primary as well as secondary sources. I will let you know when I am done and then we could review the final result together and improve on it. But this is a work in progress, so requires some patience and collaboration. Zorandimitrovskiskopje (talk) 10:09, 26 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Just found this amazing resource: Vaknin's handwritten autobiography where he states that he was born in Kiryat-Yam, his parents are Sephardis, he has 4 siblings, etc. Sam Vaknin's Autobiography (1961-1996) - Handwritten Manuscript | PDF Zorandimitrovskiskopje (talk) 10:13, 26 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Secondary sources are better, but it's better than nothing to have an autobiographical statement per WP:PRIMARYCARE: "The person's autobiography, own website, or a page about the person on an employer's or publisher's website, is an acceptable (although possibly incomplete) primary‡ source for information about what the person says about themself. Such primary sources can normally be used for non-controversial facts about the person and for clearly attributed controversial statements." I think the autobiography should more obviously and verifiably have been written by Vaknin himself. It's also important to make sure it conforms with WP:PUBLISHED. This also goes for newspaper clippings, but that should work out as long as you have the necessary information in order to manually create a newspaper citation with all required fields using the graphical citation tool available in visual editing mode. I sometimes tend to agree that the deadline is "WP:NOW" regarding facts especially, but regarding the introductory paragraphs to sections, it's not a big issue if it takes time, as WP:EDIA is a WP:WORKINPROGRESS; thus, take your time and remember that Wikipedia is WP:NOT WP:COMPULSORY. BlockArranger (talk) 15:07, 26 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I really appreciate your patience and help. You are a great mentor. Regarding the autobiography: 1. Vaknin links to it from his CV (https://www.narcissistic-abuse.com.cv.html), so I guess it is really his, he has written it; 2. My friend, the court translator, says that is contains citations to all the personal data that you have flagged: place of birth, relocation to Macedonia, etc. I am going to go ahead and add it as primary resource. Zorandimitrovskiskopje (talk) 10:37, 27 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Including quotes within the citations could furthermore be useful. BlockArranger (talk) 21:00, 30 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the newspaper cuttings, they are very old and there are no digitized copies online. I will scan any articles and interviews I can find in our national library archives and add them as a primary source. I need some time to do that. Zorandimitrovskiskopje (talk) 10:39, 27 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sources do not necessarily have to be available online (but see: WP:OFFLINE). BlockArranger (talk) 20:41, 30 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I am adding secondary sources to the article. But I don't know how to include page numbers to the DOI references. I use Citer and it does not generate page numbers in the resulting Named Reference. Would appreciate any help. Zorandimitrovskiskopje (talk) 15:37, 30 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I checked the history and noted that you seem to indeed not be using VisualEditor when working on the article, as indicated by the absence of such tags alongside your edits. I am unsure of what specific citation(s) you are talking about, but I checked in the VisualEditor and thus confirmed that you should indeed be able to merely click the citation, then click edit, and finally find "page" or "pages" in the interface. If they are not visible immediately, you may have to enable them in the list of parameters which should appear on the left-hand side. I do not know if there is a possibility that you may have generated any of the citations in a manner which is not understood by the citation editor in VisualEditor. I use that, and as such I am not knowledgeable on Citer. As of now, the article seems to contain several substandard citations (not necessarily the sources themselves, but the actual citations as entities in the article), which should be added to the backlog for improvement of the article. If you find it difficult to fix it using Citer, perhaps it would be easiest to just replace them with citations made in VisualEdtior, which should take care of almost everything automatically. BlockArranger (talk) 20:35, 30 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I am not using VisualEditor because I cannot access it for some strange reason. In "Edit Source", I do not get a VisualEditor button at all!

Can you help me just to add page numbers to these 2 DOI citations? The two references exist in the article, I just need to add the page numbers.

Passalacqua, L., & Puricelli, M. (2021). Alice Miller on family, power, and truth. In D. Morgan (Ed.), A Deeper Cut: Further Explorations of the Unconscious in Social and Political Life (pp. 111–138). Karnac Books. https://doi.org/10.2307/jj.23338182.13

Blackman, L. (2023). EMOTIONS AND AFFECTS OF CONVOLUTION. In G. J. Seigworth & C. Pedwell (Eds.), The Affect Theory Reader 2: Worldings, Tensions, Futures (pp. 326–346). Duke University Press. Zorandimitrovskiskopje (talk) 16:36, 1 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have now attempted to insert the page ranges per your request. I have not accessed the materials you cite, and thus I have no specific knowledge about this, but is there any specific reason why the citations do not contain all the information displayed in your above request; would you need help with inserting that too, it it is supposed to be there? Anyway, it seems strange that you do not have VisualEditor, but admittedly I only have experience of editing Wikipedia through my own personal configuration and I do not really have Wikipedian friends IRL. However, I checked Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing, and there I found an option to enable it, so I would suggest you go ahead and try that. It seems to be the solution you are looking for per Help:Preferences#Editing. BlockArranger (talk) 18:30, 1 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for any help you can render in making the citations more robust. I apologize for all this messy business. I am just trying to make the article better with secondary sources as per your guidance. Visual Editor has always been enabled in my preferences - yet, I have never been able to access it! I never get a Visual Editor button or link! I tried to include a Filemail link to a screenshot of "Edit Source" when I log in but filemail is blocked. Zorandimitrovskiskopje (talk) 09:23, 2 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I see! Then I do not know what is preventing you from utilizing VisualEditor. I would suggest you head to Wikipedia:Help desk and try to obtain assistance there. Merely skimming through Help:VisualEditor I don't see an obvious solution, so directly requesting human assistance would probably be your best bet. I have never tried the help desk, but I would guess that they are helpful and quite quick to respond. BlockArranger (talk) 15:40, 3 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

North Korean Defection Methods

Would just like to clarify a few things here. I did not have a lot of reliable sources to go by, but I had just enough to weasel out an somewhat good AFC. If you see claims or sentences and don't see a citation, don't assume its because I didn't place on there. Its likely because the entire paragraph, and potentially even section uses 1 single citation from a reliable source that you can find somewhere down the line. This is essentially my explanation for every "citation needed", "by whom", "who", "which" template that you placed on the article. I do not write unless I have a citation to back it up. Nonetheless I will still explain a few sections that you tagged with templates, as for the "Which" template, its any south east Asian border which is clarified later in the sentence. Friendly country (clarification needed template which you placed there) is already explained earlier in the article to be either Mongolia or the South East Asian countries. The By Whom template you placed in the brokers section is explained in the citation "https://www.bushcenter.org/freedom-collection/kim-seong-min-how-defectors-escape" or in the draft, Citation 8. Thank you. DotesConks (talk) 20:35, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

For your information, I am trying to point out things you could clarify in your article. Sorry if you see it as rude, but you should cite more and write some things more clearly if you want the article to surely pass inspection. Also, I did not manage to find any claim of homosexuality being rare in Asia in the source provided immediately after that statement. I am not disputing factuality of most things, though. But please check if the math prodigy actually was selected for the "Olympics" several times, as the math olympiad is in fact not at all the same thing as the Olympic Games. BlockArranger (talk) 20:51, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@BlockArranger I don't think its rude, I think its helpful to my draft. I'm just clarifying how I write drafts and how that may be different from most people which leads to people thinking I do not have a lot of citations when I infact do. DotesConks (talk) 01:32, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have sent you a note about a page you started

Hi BlockArranger. Thank you for your work on Attenuated psychosis syndrome. Another editor, Klbrain, has reviewed it as part of new pages patrol and left the following comment:

Thanks for creating this short, focussed page on a proposed syndrome. There is enough coverage in reliable sources to have the topic covered here.

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Klbrain (talk) 11:41, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Forum Européen de l'Orientation Académique (June 6)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Sophisticatedevening was:

This draft's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. In summary, the draft needs multiple published sources that are:

in-depth (not just brief mentions about the subject or routine announcements)
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strictly independent of the subject

Make sure you add references that meet all four of these criteria before resubmitting. Learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue. If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

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Sophisticatedevening🍷^(talk) 18:30, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, BlockArranger! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Sophisticatedevening🍷^(talk) 18:30, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

WP:SDNONE

Before you change anymore SD "none" to "something", check out WP:SDNONE. Masterhatch (talk) 01:53, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Bringing BPD to GA

Hello! I see that you are quite active in the personality disorders scene, with an emphasis on the borderline variant. I have been wanting to bring the article on BPD to good article status for quite some time, but it's quite a long article, so, naturally, I was wondering if you wanted to collaborate with me on this project! Let me know what you think. Many thanks, The Blue Rider 02:30, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@The Blue Rider In general, I would absolutely be inclined to further improve the article. I would perhaps disagree with the notion that BPD has been my main thing; I have most notably worked on covering dimensional models and incorporated them in to categorical PD articles. Nevertheless, BPD is the best PD article as of now, and thus I also think we have good opportunities to further improve it. In case you have any specific suggestions, let me know. Perhaps discussing on the BPD talk page could be extra beneficial as then we might get others to join. BlockArranger (talk) 10:32, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I just saw your username there quick often, but I'm glad someone is so keen on working in PD articles! I will leave some comments on BPD's talk page as suggested! Thanks, The Blue Rider 15:20, 5 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]