User talk:SapphicVibes
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Please help me with... I do not know anything about editing on Wikipedia, I've used it for a very long time but every attempt to edit something has felt daunting and also makes me wish I learned HTML in middle school when I had the chance instead of making dumb games in JavaScript. today however I have been pushed to my limit by this article ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_brand_name_snack_foods ) and i feel that something must be done about it but I do not know how to make it better or really understand anything about Wikipedia editing any and all help appreciated SapphicVibes (talk) 19:31, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
- What exactly are you trying to do there? COOLIDICAE🕶 19:44, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
- i mean its initially like by country but then it switches to alphabetical, its very obviously incomplete and Australia is there twice for some reason. all of these need to be resolved how do I start SapphicVibes (talk) 19:53, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
- I'd be tempted to apply TNT to that list article. It's purposes would seem to be fully addressable via the category system with no need for a mis-organized standalone article. — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 20:04, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
- honestly I was also of half a mind it should be deleted too but I figured it would be too forward to be like "hey i know jack about shit, please nuke this article" I didn't want to be presumptive. I also believe there is already a category that addresses the same need which already exists which I found while poking around a few mins ago so yeah :P SapphicVibes (talk) 01:01, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
- Redirected by Rotideypoc41352. — Jeff G. ツ 11:06, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
- honestly I was also of half a mind it should be deleted too but I figured it would be too forward to be like "hey i know jack about shit, please nuke this article" I didn't want to be presumptive. I also believe there is already a category that addresses the same need which already exists which I found while poking around a few mins ago so yeah :P SapphicVibes (talk) 01:01, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
- I'd be tempted to apply TNT to that list article. It's purposes would seem to be fully addressable via the category system with no need for a mis-organized standalone article. — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 20:04, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
- i mean its initially like by country but then it switches to alphabetical, its very obviously incomplete and Australia is there twice for some reason. all of these need to be resolved how do I start SapphicVibes (talk) 19:53, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
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Happy editing! Cheers, Sarsenet•he/they•(talk) 03:53, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- thanks :) i think i'm just starting to figure things out SapphicVibes (talk) 18:53, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- Hi @SapphicVibes, welcome. Love to see someone's first edits being "this is so bad, how do I remove it from the internet entirely" (same). I hope you stick around WP:AFD, which can always use more help. You'll find it much easier to nominate articles in the future if you use WP:TWINKLE, which you're now able to do as your account is WP:AUTOCONFIRMED.
- I see your first AfD didn't go the way you'd hoped. Lists are hard. The relevant guideline is WP:NLIST, and anyone who tells you they truly understand how this guideline works in practice is lying, either to you or to themselves. So don't take that one badly. You did, however, use an argument that almost never works: "unnecessary and poorly written". Whenever you can, you want to start deletion discussions on WP:N grounds, like you did at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Professional Association of Internes and Residents of Ontario, where you spoke the magic words and the article was removed without contest. Until you have some more deletion experience, I recommend sticking to the WP:N ones only, and keeping a list for yourself of the "things so bad I want to delete them" type so you can come back to them later. Once you've seen more of these go around, you'll have a better idea of when and what to say that will help you deal with the stuff no one wants to deal with.
- Also, some advice I wish someone had given me when I started out: don't take the fightiness of other AfD participants as your model, and don't let them draw you into arguments. That's a lose condition, and it doesn't feel good to be part of, either. Treat everyone else as your colleagues, even if they don't extend the same courtesy to you. Asking questions, expressing uncertainty, and softening your language (eg, saying "I dont't think this meets WP:GNG because blah" rather than "this fails WP:GNG because blah") are signs of self-confidence and good faith, not of weakness or noobishness. Not everyone in these discussions can see that. The folks who close the discussions can.
- Good luck. Rooting for you. -- asilvering (talk) 03:28, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
- the AFD I'm having the most argument over I'm not really sure what's going on with it tbh. There was some wacky stuff where someone redirected the page I wanted to delete to another page and tbh I got no clue what's happening and I'm generally just ignoring it til everyone comes to a decision. Thanks tho I've been starting to really feel a bit out of my depth to be truthful, I almost feel like every time I want to do something or feel like I'm starting to get a handle on things i get told I'm doing something wrong. Thx for the kindness :) (ps I know I can use TWINKLE but I also do not know how so I'm just sticking with doing it manually until I feel like I've gotten my bearings enough to try to learn another thing, the learning curve on all this has been steep) SapphicVibes (talk) 16:08, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
- Twinkle is so much easier, I promise it's worth learning how to use it for this thing in particular at least. It saves you from a lot of possible mistakes that can be really annoying to clean up. As for being told you're doing something wrong - yeah, well, welcome to Wikipedia, haha. Most people who tell you you're doing something wrong really are trying their best to help you, though the AfD crowd can get pretty unfairly mean. Everyone's out of their depth when they start. -- asilvering (talk) 17:41, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
- the AFD I'm having the most argument over I'm not really sure what's going on with it tbh. There was some wacky stuff where someone redirected the page I wanted to delete to another page and tbh I got no clue what's happening and I'm generally just ignoring it til everyone comes to a decision. Thanks tho I've been starting to really feel a bit out of my depth to be truthful, I almost feel like every time I want to do something or feel like I'm starting to get a handle on things i get told I'm doing something wrong. Thx for the kindness :) (ps I know I can use TWINKLE but I also do not know how so I'm just sticking with doing it manually until I feel like I've gotten my bearings enough to try to learn another thing, the learning curve on all this has been steep) SapphicVibes (talk) 16:08, 7 June 2025 (UTC)