Wikipedia:Templates for discussion

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September 3

Template:SAFF U-19 Championship

Template:SAFF U-19 Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

First tournament has only just started. In a few years time when there have been more tournaments this will be a useful aid to navigation but currently it is not. The two links in the navbox are already found in both the articles themselves. Fenix down (talk) 09:34, 21 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - there is no harm to the encyclopedia by retaining this template especially it will be expanded in the future. It is encouraging to editors to continue writing articles they know they will be used in a template. Deleting it now will only mean that it will have to be recreated in the future.

Bfpage |leave a message 10:14, 23 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Announcements for future host will be made soon, and a template will be remade if this is deleted. There is really no point in deleting it, other than pushing a deletionist ideology. Ayoopdog (talk) 13:01, 29 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Alakzi (talk) 19:35, 3 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hugo Award for Best Dramatic Presentation, Short Form nomination templates

Template:2003 Hugo Award for Best Dramatic Presentation, Short Form (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:2004 Hugo Award for Best Dramatic Presentation, Short Form (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:2005 Hugo Award for Best Dramatic Presentation, Short Form (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:2006 Hugo Award for Best Dramatic Presentation, Short Form (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:2007 Hugo Award for Best Dramatic Presentation, Short Form (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:2008 Hugo Award for Best Dramatic Presentation, Short Form (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:2009 Hugo Award for Best Dramatic Presentation, Short Form (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:2010 Hugo Award for Best Dramatic Presentation, Short Form (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:2011 Hugo Award for Best Dramatic Presentation, Short Form (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:2012 Hugo Award for Best Dramatic Presentation, Short Form (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

This is the only Hugo Award category to have these separate nomination templates. The winner already has the Template:Hugo Award for Best Dramatic Presentation, Short Form (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) template. No need for an extra one. charge2charge (talk) 23:03, 23 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

tentative Keep, I personally liked the only one I've looked at, 2011, and quickly used it to make an addition to another template (have never heard of the video Fuck Me, Ray Bradbury, watched it, and it seems template-worthy and a nice tribute). Maybe the only question is "should nominees be included on a major award template", or do other major awards have yearly nominee listings on any of their templates. I'm not familiar enough with them to know. Randy Kryn 20:20, 31 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
delete, only need to link between winners, not nominees. imagine if we had this for the academy awards ... total navbox cruft. if you want to find out the nominees, try [gasp] to read the article? Frietjes (talk) 16:27, 2 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Alakzi (talk) 19:29, 3 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Complete overkill. "Not everything needs a navbox." Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 19:13, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Italian brands

Template:Italian brands (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

very large, and already covered by both a list article and a category. Frietjes (talk) 19:19, 3 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

notify Northamerica1000 . Frietjes (talk) 19:19, 3 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Split into separate navigation bars by topic, which will significantly reduce its size. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 00:08, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox Star Wars character

Template:Infobox Star Wars character (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Almost an exact copy of {{Infobox character}} with a low transclusion count (only 64). ~ Rob^Talk 14:42, 3 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I thought Andy had already whacked all of these characters-for-particular-series infoboxes. If so, this one should be treated no differently. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 19:14, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Starbox multi

{{subst:Tfd top|soft delete}}. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the template's undeletion. Evad37 (talk) 13:57, 21 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Starbox multi (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

No longer used widely (only 8 transclusions). It has already been replaced by the templates at {{Starboxes}}, which has the necessary functionality. Nothing to really merge here. ~ Rob^Talk 14:31, 3 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, remaining transclusions appear to be via {{Starbox 2}}, which I've been merging into {{Starboxes}}. This has no transclusions not via Starbox 2, I believe. ~ Rob^Talk 20:25, 3 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Real estate development

Template:Real estate development (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused, not updated since 2009. NSH002 (talk) 13:41, 3 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

delete, a bit of a "grab bag" of items. Frietjes (talk) 14:25, 3 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Speaking as a commercial real estate lawyer who specializes in development, this is not a "grab bag" or topics, but a properly structured overview of the major sub-topics related to real estate development. It's a shame it's not being used. The template creator has not been active in the past year; do we have a WikiProject for real estate? If so, the WikiProject should be made aware of this template and its potential usefulness. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 19:21, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Louisiana High School Athletic Association

Template:Louisiana High School Athletic Association (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unless each of these individual groupings of high schools are somehow notable per guidelines they don't all need their own pages and thus this template is not needed; the groupings can be on the page about this association. 331dot (talk) 10:50, 3 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't actually done this before with templates so if this is somehow out of order please let me know and I would be happy to do what is asked or needed. 331dot (talk) 11:25, 3 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

delete, almost entirely redlinks. Frietjes (talk) 14:26, 3 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Unused with no useful links. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 19:22, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete unless it's some kind of important double-secret national security code. Like the Bible Code, only more real and Louisianaer. Randy Kryn 19:52, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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August 30

Find sources templates

Template:Find sources (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Find sources 3 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Find sources 4 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Find sources AFD (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Find sourcés (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Propose merging into Template:Find sources.

Similar templates; no need for more than one. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:09, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Leaning support – provided that the various links that are not currently present in {{Find sources}} (e.g. NYT, et al.) are actually merged into it. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 23:00, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Conditional support: It needs to be a complete merge, no loss of searches. — JJMC89 (T·C) 23:17, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The reason for creating a separate template for AfD was because Template:Find sources was causing some of the daily AfD logs to go over the post-expand include size. This may not be as much of a problem now that Template:Find sources multi has been replaced by Module:Find sources, but we should keep it in mind. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 23:25, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I had a look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2015 August 24 using both of the different templates. With Template:Find sources AFD the post-expand include size was 1257200/2097152 bytes, and with Template:Find sources it was 1319754/2097152 bytes. ~~So we are talking about a 5% increase in post-expand include size if we merge the two templates,~~ and on this AfD log at least, they are both well within the limits. I'd be interested in seeing how they fare on some bigger AfD logs - does anyone know where some really meaty logs might be found? I looked for the ones that triggered the creation of Find sources AFD when they broke, but I couldn't find them. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 07:17, 31 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I've found the relevant discussion: it's at Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Archive 67#Daily AfD pages are getting too long. One of the log pages that is mentioned there as being over the post-expand include size limit, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2014 September 16, is actually smaller than the one I tested above. It comes out as 948283/2097152 bytes for Template:Find sources AFD and 993205/2097152 bytes for Template:Find sources. So there should be no problem merging the two, and there should even be room to add a couple of extra links if desired. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 08:57, 31 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I shouldn't infer a 5% increase from the above - it's misleading, as the text in the AfD discussions themselves is counted towards the total. The real difference is about 660 bytes for Find sources AFD versus 880 bytes for Find sources (the exact length depends on the article title) multiplied by the number of AfD discussions in the day's log. This week we seem to have been averaging about 120 AfDs a day, which makes a difference of about 26kb between the two templates, or about 1% of the limit. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 09:17, 31 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Administrative comment The small "see tfd" notices at the top of {{Find sources AFD}} is making AFD discussions look downright ugly. I think Wikipedia can live with the ugliness for a week but if the discussion starts to look like it could close early due to WP:SNOW, please consider this an argument in favor of closing early rather than on time. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 03:45, 31 August 2015 (UTC) That issue is now resolved. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 01:41, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support for any merge that won't break the Wiki or reduce functionality (I'm envisioning parameters so existing templates can be replaced with no change to their output). Strong oppose for any change that will break the wiki, oppose any change that will change existing functionality for templates that are in use, neutral for any change that will change functionality of templates that are not in use. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 03:45, 31 August 2015 (UTC) Update: Oppose any change that will reduce existing functionality for existing templates, Weak oppose to any change to the functionality of templates 3 and 4 (3 and 4 each have hundreds of tranclusions). After this TFD is over with, a discussion on changing the behavior of 3 and 4 or simply making their behavior identical to the main template can be handled on the appropriate template-talk page. Be careful changing the behavior of the AFD template, as anything that changes its appearance could be disruptive to AFD pages. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 05:06, 31 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
As I understand it, this proposal is to merge all of the listed templates into Template:Find sources, so that they would all have exactly the same look and functionality. A merge that won't break functionality is essentially what I've already done with Module:Find sources (see my comment below). — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 06:48, 31 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Recommended method of merge: Expand {{Find sources}} to include all sources in the other templates, add a parameter "style=" so the few hundred pages that transclude {{Find sources 3}} and {{Find sources 4}} won't change, then replace the latter 2 with the former. If {{Find sources AFD}} can be merged in in a similar way as "3" and "4" without breaking the Wiki, do it. Note that there are 2 links on the main template that aren't useful for the AFD version. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 04:19, 31 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
This is pretty much how the templates already work - take a look at the documentation for Module:Find sources. The main difference from the way you describe is that instead of using one template with different parameters, it uses one main module with different template configuration modules, each of which is output through a different wrapper template. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 06:48, 31 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with davidwr on all counts. — Jeff G. ツ (talk) 04:36, 31 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Note to closing admin: I changed my comment above after Jeff G. made his complete endorsement. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 05:06, 31 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I still agree with davidwr. It should be possible to combine use of these templates going forward while preserving the look and feel of previous usage of them in archived discussions. What conflicts in usage could not be covered by making the top specified template the main one and wrapping it with the other templates, perhaps with an additonal "display" or "type" parameter, and maybe an "afd=y" parameter? Expecting all editors to stop typing the name of any template that has been in use for a long time would be a futile exercise; instead, templates and their designers should follow Postel's Law, and make templates backwards-compatible. The article maintenance tags like {{onesource}} which request editors to add and verify sources could even wrap this template (in a manner yet to be determined) so as to further push our agenda of making the project more reliable based on our inclusion of information from more and better sources. — Jeff G. ツ (talk) 22:58, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment in response to Mr. Stradivarius: My concern is that the two lesser-used templates ("3" and "4") may be intentionally using a different list of parameters. I'm fine with deprecating them (in fact, I strongly favor deprecating them) but I'm a little leery of forcing them to change just for the sake of eliminating them. I'm also fine with going through each one of the several hundred uses of "3" and "4" individually and replacing them with the main template, but only after making sure that doing so won't cause any harm. The AFD one is a bit different since almost all existing uses that are more than a few weeks old are on archived discussions and nobody cares if the template changes on those pages, but on the other hand, any changes to the AFD cannot be allowed to disrupt ongoing discussions. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 01:40, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
NOTE This TFM is showing up when you try to create a page, so one of these templates is loaded directly as an editnotice -- 70.51.202.113 (talk) 05:05, 3 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not seeing this behavior when I go to a non-existent article such as adfsdfasfdsfasdfabaasfa. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 21:46, 3 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, perhaps it's just DRAFTspace then. (It isn't occurring in talkspace, but I didn't think/expect it would). [draft:adfsdfasfdsfasdfabaasfa] -- 70.51.202.113 (talk) 06:00, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Catcross2

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was speedy delete. Jujutacular (talk) 22:03, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Catcross2 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused template that contains link to toolserver. Author agrees that template should be sent to TfD. GoingBatty (talk) 12:43, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Template:Broke with Expensive Taste track listing

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The result of the discussion was speedy deleted WP:CSD#G7 at author's request. JohnCD (talk) 16:17, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Broke with Expensive Taste track listing (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Another one, per previous consensus on these kind of templates, they are to be deleted —Indian:BIO ^{[ ChitChat ]} 05:17, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete (Author request) scrap it, I'm pretty sure my !vote as author makes the template eligible for speedy deletion. Azealia911 _talk 07:37, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: IndianBio, it may be worth you leaving an advisory note at {{Extra track listing}} to not create these particular kinds of templates if there's a broad consensus on past examples as you say there is, (for whatever reason that is, you didn't actually provide one other than other templates like this have been deleted in the past. I'd also like to see a few of these past TfD examples.) Azealia911 _talk 09:52, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Azealia911 I linked it now in the main rationale. —Indian:BIO ^{[ ChitChat ]} 13:34, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

IndianBio, fair enough, I've reinstated my delete request so unless I'm wrong, the template now qualifies for speedy deletion under G7. But repeating what I said before, it really would be worth leaving a comment on the talk page, or even the template documentation of {{Extra track listing}}, explaining that album track listing templates are redundant and likely to be deleted in cases which the artist of the album has their own template with links to the songs in the track listing template. If there was something like this implemented way back during the 2013 mass deletion, I would have definitley not pursued to create the template and everybody's time would have most definitely been saved. Azealia911 _talk 13:44, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I agree absolutely. I will implement it in the template once this one is closed. And you can nominate for G7 too. —Indian:BIO ^{[ ChitChat ]} 13:46, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2015 August 29

Old discussions

Completed discussions

Template:Transcluded section

Template:Backlog

If process guidelines are met, move templates to the appropriate subsection here to prepare to delete. Before deleting a template, ensure that it is not in use on any pages (other than talk pages where eliminating the link would change the meaning of a prior discussion), by checking Special:Whatlinkshere for '(transclusion)'. Consider placing The time of last inclusion: {{subst:CURRENTTIMESTAMP}} on the template page.

Tools

There are several tools that can help when implementing TfDs. Some of these are listed below.

AutoWikiBrowser – Semi-automatic editor that can replace or modify templates using regular expressions
Bots – Robots editing automatically. All tasks have to be approved before operating. There are currently five bots with general approval to assist with implementing TfD outcomes:
- AnomieBOT - substituting templates via User:AnomieBOT/TFDTemplateSubster
- SporkBot - general TfD implementation run by Plastikspork
- PrimeBOT - general TfD implementation run by Primefac
- DannyS712 bot - template orphaning run by DannyS712
- BsherrAWBBOT – general TfD implementation run by Bsherr

Closing discussions

The closing procedures are outlined at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Closing instructions.

To review

Templates for which each transclusion requires individual attention and analysis before the template is deleted.

Template:Fb_cl_header2018 April 19 – Fb_cl_header ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases )
Would it be possible for a bot to convert the transclusions of these templates to Module:Sports table? S.A. Julio (talk) 23:50, 28 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Should be doable, yes. Primefac (talk) 00:22, 29 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I could probably do something while I am converting all the {{Fb team}} templates. But, I will have to see how complicated the code is. Thanks! Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 00:36, 29 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Plastikspork and Primefac: Can your bots using Module:Sports table instead in this case, such as [1]? Hhhhhkohhhhh (talk) 04:14, 29 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Hhhhhkohhhhh, sure. That particular template only had one use, and that use was in userspace, and the title of the page was "concept", so I didn't bother to fully convert it. But in general, the plan is to convert the various table/cl header/cl footer/cl team templates to use sports table. Thanks! Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 12:41, 29 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I am replacing all of these fb templates Frietjes (talk) 15:08, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into {{Aircraft specs}}:
- Template:Aerospecs2019 March 20 – Aerospecs ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases )
- Template:Aircraft_specifications2019 March 20 – Aircraft_specifications ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases )
There's a discussion about this merger at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aircraft/Archive_45#Template:Aircraft specs merger bot --Trialpears (talk) 15:52, 8 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Ship_event_row2020 May 27 – Ship_event_row ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases ) and Template:Ship_builder2020 May 27 – Ship_builder ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases )
- These were listed for substing, but look what happens when you do that: Special:Diff/960980656! Something else should probably be done. --Mdaniels5757 (talk) 00:13, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - Simple subst doesn't really cut it when dealing with parser functions like #if. I've not been working on TFD-related stuff recently but with other projects starting to get finished I'll take a look provided no one else tackles it first. Primefac (talk) 21:19, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    - This one is probably best done manually. There's not that many articles affected and I'll work on it over the next couple of weeks. If any other editor wishes to join in feel free. Mjroots (talk) 08:35, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      - Mdaniels5757 and Primefac the templates were listed for deprecation, removal and deletion. Shipbuilder is not that big a problem and per my comments at the original nom, it might be kept as it is in use outside of the lists I mention at the original nom. Ship event row is the problem template. Mjroots (talk) 08:40, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Template:X12020 April 30 – X1 ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases )
Template:X12020 April 30 – X1 ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases )
Template:Page42422020 August 14 – Page4242 ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases )

To merge

Templates to be merged into another template.

Arts

None currently

Geography, politics and governance

Template:COVID-19_pandemic_curfews2020 May 16 – COVID-19_pandemic_curfews ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases )
Template:COVID-19_pandemic_lockdowns2020 May 16 – COVID-19_pandemic_lockdowns ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases )

Religion

None currently

To convert

Templates for which the consensus is that they ought to be converted to some other format are put here until the conversion is completed.

Template:X82020 April 30 – X8 ( links | transclusions | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases )

To substitute

Templates for which the consensus is that all instances should be substituted (e.g. the template should be merged with the article or is a wrapper for a preferred template) are put here until the substitutions are completed. After this is done, the template is deleted from template space.

None currently

To orphan

These templates are to be deleted, but may still be in use on some pages. Somebody (it doesn't need to be an administrator, anyone can do it) should fix and/or remove significant usages from pages so that the templates can be deleted. Note that simple references to them from Talk: pages should not be removed. Add on bottom and remove from top of list (oldest is on top).

None currently

Ready for deletion

Templates for which consensus to delete has been reached, and for which orphaning has been completed, can be listed here for an administrator to delete. Remove from this list when an item has been deleted. See also {{Deleted template}}, an option to delete templates while retaining them for displaying old page revisions.

None currently

Archive and Indices

Category:Non-talk pages with subpages that are automatically signed Templates for discussion Templates for discussion