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The support status fever

Hello, everyone;
Hello, Comp.arch

By now I must be starting to look like a complete reverting bitch! (This is the first time I use the B-word in English Wikipedia; wow!) And I am feeling worse about it because I personally recognize comp.arch as one of the good editors.

However, comp.arch, your edit's result suffers from the following problems:

It is very unfriendly to screen space, practically squandering it
For years now, this template had a purpose: Classifying Windows by production line. (See a proposal from 2006: § How about something like this...) But now, your flat classification is a muddled mix of family-based and support-status–based.
"Based on Windows NT" means we have something called Windows NT; these are based on it. No. These are Windows NT; even their API affirms that.
Wikipedia is full of tables (and one template) that classify Windows based on its support status, with {{Version}} and those colors. Basically, it seems there is a support status fever in this area of Wikipedia. I strongly oppose infecting this template with that fever.

Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 12:10, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It is like building something that is part a brick-and-mortar villa and part an igloo. Fleet Command (talk)

Okay, Comp.arch. This time I ask without reverting. When you removed the "client" label, what positive effect were you seeking?

Best regards,

Codename Lisa (talk) 19:16, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for reverting based on nr. 1. (it was actually an attempt to save space.. based on a misunderstanding.. this one column is smallar than two before..). Also nr. 2 I agree with, e.g. saying "unsupported" takes up too much space and for NT probably not good to split up the first column in this way.. I'm however not sure it really needs dividing up further, based on this old split, I'm not sure anyone cares about it anymore.. I'll go with the status quo for now, I'm not sure I even care too much about this.. comp.arch (talk) 20:36, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Logo?

File:Microsoft Windows NT logo and wordmark (Pre-XP).svg

Basic design used longer than current one

Why is there a 2012 logo in a template covering 30 years of software history? We all know perfectly well that other logos have been used far longer. It makes no more sense than using the 1990s version (see image to the right). The image layout is really awkward as well. It ought to be fixed or removed.

Peter ^Isotalo 00:13, 3 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Peter

Please explain to me: Why is the length of time is more important?

Best regards,

Codename Lisa (talk) 03:23, 6 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Because it's about software history. I think I ought to repeat my initial question: "Why is there a 2012 logo in a template covering 30 years of software history?"

Peter ^Isotalo 11:17, 6 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

About history? Says who? —Codename Lisa (talk) 09:34, 7 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Also if it is really about history (if!) why would you change the logo with one that has no historic precedent at all? I myself created File:Windows logo - 2002–2012 (Multicolored).svg. It has never been used. —Codename Lisa (talk) 09:37, 7 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This is a navbox, not a museum dedicated to cherishing the history. It helps people find things. The latest logo helps people who might have seen the logo around connect it with the name, Windows. A historic logo does no such thing. Only the people with historic knowledge know it. Fleet Command (talk) 13:14, 7 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Midori

I added Midori as a cancelled Windows operating system. It is an operating system, but not necessarily a Windows operating system. People would not know find out about it if only this template links it: Template:Microsoft_operating_systems.

Shall we keep it? (Cairo wasn't strictly Windows either.)

(Before Midori there was Singularity (operating system) and Verve (operating system))

Chris81w (talk) 21:28, 29 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi.

If it is not Windows, then it does not belong here. The argument "People would not know find out about it" is true about millions of other things that also we do not list in this template. You can mention those operating system in Microsoft article if you wish.

Best regards,

Codename Lisa (talk) 05:14, 30 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

New features

I need some way to incorporate "new features" of each operating system lists as well as "removed features" of each operating system lists too. How shall I incorporate this? I did it in this way on that template, but I am not sure how else I could do it. Though it may not look right, I think it's good to incorporate this stuff in. Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 23:22, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]