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Redirects for discussion (RfD) is the place where potentially problematic redirects are discussed. Items usually stay listed for a week or so, after which they are deleted, kept, or retargeted.

If you want to replace an unprotected redirect with an article, do not list it here. Turning redirects into articles is wholly encouraged. Be bold!
If you want to move a page but a redirect is in the way, do not list it here. For non-controversial cases, place a technical request; if a discussion is required, then start a requested move.
If you think a redirect points to the wrong target article, this is a good place to discuss the proper target.
Redirects should not be deleted just because they have no incoming links. Please do not use this as the only reason to delete a redirect. However, redirects that do have incoming links are sometimes deleted, so that is not a sufficient condition for keeping. (See § When to delete a redirect for more information.)

Please do not unilaterally rename or change the target of a redirect while it is under discussion. This adds unnecessary complication to the discussion for participants and closers.

Before listing a redirect for discussion

Please be aware of these general policies, which apply here as elsewhere:

Wikipedia:Redirect – what redirects are, why they exist, and how they are used.
Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion – which pages can be deleted without discussion; in particular the "General" and "Redirects" sections.
Wikipedia:Deletion policy – how we delete things by consensus.
Wikipedia:Guide to deletion – guidelines on discussion format and shorthand.

The guiding principles of RfD

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WP:RGUIDE

The purpose of a good redirect is to eliminate the possibility that readers will find themselves staring blankly at "Search results 1–10 out of 378" instead of the article they were looking for. If someone could plausibly enter the redirect's name when searching for the target article, it's a good redirect.
Redirects are cheap. They take up little storage space and use very little bandwidth. It doesn't really hurt things if there are a few of them scattered around. On the flip side, deleting redirects is also cheap because recording the deletion takes up little storage space and uses very little bandwidth. There is no harm in deleting problematic redirects.
If a good-faith RfD nomination proposes to delete a redirect and has no discussion after at least 7 days, the default result is delete.
Redirects nominated in contravention of Wikipedia:Redirect will be speedily kept.
RfD can also serve as a central discussion forum for debates about which page a redirect should target. In cases where retargeting the redirect could be considered controversial, it is advisable to leave a notice on the talk page of the redirect's current target page or the proposed target page to refer readers to the redirect's nomination to allow input and help form consensus for the redirect's target.
Requests for deletion of redirects from one page's talk page to another's do not need to be listed here. Anyone can remove the redirect by blanking the page. The G6 criterion for speedy deletion may be appropriate.
In discussions, always ask yourself whether or not a redirect would be helpful to the reader.

When to delete a redirect

This page is transcluded from Wikipedia:Redirect/Deletion reasons. (edit | history)

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The major reasons why deletion of redirects is harmful are:

a redirect may contain non-trivial edit history;
if a redirect is reasonably old (or is the result of moving a page that has been there for quite some time), then it is possible that its deletion will break incoming links (such links coming from older revisions of Wikipedia pages, from edit summaries, from other Wikimedia projects or from elsewhere on the internet, do not show up in "What links here").

Therefore consider the deletion only of either harmful redirects or of recent ones.

Reasons for deleting

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WP:RFD#DELETE

You might want to delete a redirect if one or more of the following conditions is met (but note also the exceptions listed below this list):

The redirect page makes it unreasonably difficult for users to locate similarly named articles via the search engine. For example, if the user searches for "New Articles", and is redirected to a disambiguation page for "Articles" (itself a redirect to "Article"), it would take much longer to get to the newly added articles on Wikipedia.
The redirect might cause confusion. For example, if "Adam B. Smith" was redirected to "Andrew B. Smith", because Andrew was accidentally called Adam in one source, this could cause confusion with the article on Adam Smith, so the redirect should be deleted.
The redirect is offensive or abusive, such as redirecting "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" to "Joe Bloggs" (unless "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" is legitimately discussed in the article), or "Joe Bloggs" to "Loser". (Speedy deletion criterion G10 and G3 may apply.) See also § Neutrality of redirects.
The redirect constitutes self-promotion or spam. (Speedy deletion criterion G11 may apply.)
The redirect makes no sense, such as redirecting "Apple" to "Orange". (Speedy deletion criterion G1 may apply.)
It is a cross-namespace redirect out of article space, such as one pointing into the User or Wikipedia namespace. The major exception to this rule are the pseudo-namespace shortcut redirects, which technically are in the main article space. Some long-standing cross-namespace redirects are also kept because of their long-standing history and potential usefulness. "MOS:" redirects, for example, were an exception to this rule until they became their own namespace in 2024. (Note also the existence of namespace aliases such as WP:. Speedy deletion criterion R2 may apply if the target namespace is something other than Category:, Template:, Wikipedia:, Help:, or Portal:.)
If the redirect is broken, meaning it redirects to an article that does not exist, it can be immediately deleted under speedy deletion criterion G8. You should check that there is not an alternative place it could be appropriately redirected to first and that it has not become broken through vandalism.
If the redirect is a novel or very obscure synonym for an article name that is not mentioned in the target, it is unlikely to be useful. In particular, redirects in a language other than English to a page whose subject is unrelated to that language (or a culture that speaks that language) should generally not be created. (Implausible typos or misnomers are candidates for speedy deletion criterion R3, if recently created.)
If the target article needs to be moved to the redirect title, but the redirect has been edited before and has a history of its own, then the title needs to be freed up to make way for the move. If the move is uncontroversial, tag the redirect for G6 speedy deletion, or alternatively (with the suppressredirect user right; available to page movers and admins), perform a round-robin move. If not, take the article to Requested moves.
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If the redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article, and the target article contains virtually no information on the subject.
If the redirect ends in "(disambiguation)" but does not target a disambiguation page or a page performing a disambiguation-like function (such as a set index of articles). Speedy deletion criterion G14 may apply.

Reasons for not deleting

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WP:RFD#KEEP

However, avoid deleting such redirects if:

They have a potentially useful page history, or an edit history that should be kept to comply with the licensing requirements for a merge (see Wikipedia:Merge and delete). On the other hand, if the redirect was created by renaming a page with that name, and the page history just mentions the renaming, and for one of the reasons above you want to delete the page, copy the page history to the Talk page of the article it redirects to. The act of renaming is useful page history, and even more so if there has been discussion on the page name.
They would aid accidental linking and make the creation of duplicate articles less likely, whether by redirecting a plural to a singular, by redirecting a frequent misspelling to a correct spelling, by redirecting a misnomer to a correct term, by redirecting to a synonym, etc. In other words, redirects with no incoming links are not candidates for deletion on those grounds because they are of benefit to the browsing user. Some extra vigilance by editors will be required to minimize the occurrence of those frequent misspellings in article text because the linkified misspellings will not appear as broken links; consider tagging the redirect with the {{R from misspelling}} template to assist editors in monitoring these misspellings.
They aid searches on certain terms. For example, users who might see the "Keystone State" mentioned somewhere but do not know what that refers to will be able to find out at the Pennsylvania (target) article.
Deleting redirects runs the risk of breaking incoming or internal links. For example, redirects resulting from page moves should not normally be deleted without good reason. Links that have existed for a significant length of time, including CamelCase links (e.g. WolVes) and old subpage links, should be left alone in case there are any existing links on external pages pointing to them. Please tag these with {{R from old history}}. See also Wikipedia:Link rot § Link rot on non-Wikimedia sites.
Someone finds them useful. Hint: If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do. You might not find it useful—this is not because the other person is being untruthful, but because you browse Wikipedia in different ways. Evidence of usage can be gauged by using the wikishark or pageviews tool on the redirect to see the number of views it gets.
The redirect is to a closely related word form, such as a plural form to a singular form.

Neutrality of redirects

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WP:RNEUTRAL

Just as article titles using non-neutral language are permitted in some circumstances, so are such redirects. Because redirects are less visible to readers, more latitude is allowed in their names, therefore perceived lack of neutrality in redirect names is not a sufficient reason for their deletion. In most cases, non-neutral but verifiable redirects should point to neutrally titled articles about the subject of the term. Non-neutral redirects may be tagged with {{R from non-neutral name}}.

Non-neutral redirects are commonly created for three reasons:

Articles that are created using non-neutral titles are routinely moved to a new neutral title, which leaves behind the old non-neutral title as a working redirect (e.g. Climategate → Climatic Research Unit email controversy).
Articles created as POV forks may be deleted and replaced by a redirect pointing towards the article from which the fork originated (e.g. Barack Obama Muslim rumor → deleted and now redirected to Barack Obama religion conspiracy theories).
The subject matter of articles may be represented by some sources outside Wikipedia in non-neutral terms. Such terms are generally avoided in Wikipedia article titles, per the words to avoid guidelines and the general neutral point of view policy. For instance the non-neutral expression "Attorneygate" is used to redirect to the neutrally titled Dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy. The article in question has never used that title, but the redirect was created to provide an alternative means of reaching it because a number of press reports use the term.

The exceptions to this rule would be redirects that are not established terms and are unlikely to be useful, and therefore may be nominated for deletion, perhaps under deletion reason #3. However, if a redirect represents an established term that is used in multiple mainstream reliable sources, it should be kept even if non-neutral, as it will facilitate searches on such terms. Please keep in mind that RfD is not the place to resolve most editorial disputes.

Closing notes

Details at Administrator instructions for RfD

Nominations should remain open, per policy, about a week before they are closed, unless they meet the general criteria for speedy deletion, the criteria for speedy deletion of a redirect, or are not valid redirect discussion requests (e.g. are actually move requests).

How to list a redirect for discussion

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STEP I.

Tag the redirect(s).

Enter {{subst:rfd|content= at the very beginning of the redirect page you are listing for discussion and enter }} at the very end of the page.

Does this look too complicated?
Try this semi-automated process instead: (note only confirmed users can use this)

Enable Twinkle in the Gadgets tab of your preferences.
Go back to the redirect page, and choose "XFD" from the new Twinkle menu.
Fill in the form and submit it.

Please do not mark the edit as minor (m).
Please include in the edit summary the phrase:
Nominated for RfD: see [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion]].
Save the page ("Publish changes").
If you are unable to edit the redirect page because of protection, this step can be omitted, and after step 2 is completed, a request to add the RFD template can be put on the redirect's talk page.
If the redirect you are nominating is in template namespace, consider adding |showontransclusion=1 to the RfD tag so that people using the template redirect are aware of the nomination. If it is an inline template, use |showontransclusion=tiny instead.
If you are nominating multiple redirects as a group, repeat all the above steps for each redirect being nominated and specify on {{rfd}} the nomination's group heading from Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion

STEP II.

List the entry on RfD.

Click here to edit the section of RfD for today's entries.

Enter this text below the date heading:

{{subst:Rfd2|redirect=RedirectName|target=TargetArticle|text=The action you would like to occur (deletion, re-targeting, etc.) and the rationale for that action.}}

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For this template:
- Put the redirect's name in place of RedirectName, put the target article's name in place of TargetArticle, and include a reason after text=.
- Note that, for this step, the "target article" is the current target of the redirect (if you have a suggestion for a better target, include this in the text that you insert after text=).
Please use an edit summary such as:
Nominating [[RedirectName]]
(replacing RedirectName with the name of the redirect you are nominating).
To list multiple related redirects for discussion, use the following syntax. Repeat line 2 for N number of redirects:

{{subst:Rfd2|redirect=RedirectName1|target=TargetArticle1}}

{{subst:Rfd2|multi=yes|redirect=RedirectName2|target=TargetArticle2}}

{{subst:Rfd2|multi=yes|redirect=RedirectNameN|target=TargetArticleN|text=The actions you would like to occur (deletion, re-targeting, etc.) and the rationale for those actions.}}

~~~~

If the redirect has had previous RfDs, you can add {{Oldrfdlist|previous RfD without brackets|result of previous RfD}} directly after the rfd2 template.
If appropriate, inform members of the most relevant WikiProjects through one or more "deletion sorting lists". Then add a {{subst:delsort|<topic>|<signature>}} template to the nomination, to insert a note that this has been done.

STEP III.

Notify users.

It is generally considered good practice to notify the creator and main contributors of the redirect(s) that you nominate.

To find the main contributors, look in the page history of the respective redirect(s). For convenience, the template

{{subst:Rfd notice|RedirectName}} ~~~~

may be placed on the creator/main contributors' user talk page to provide notice of the discussion. Please replace RedirectName with the name of the respective creator/main contributors' redirect and use an edit summary such as:
Notice of redirect discussion at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion]]

Notices about the RfD discussion may also be left on relevant talk pages.

Please consider using What links here to locate other redirects that may be related to the one you are nominating. After going to the redirect target page and selecting "What links here" in the toolbox on the left side of your computer screen, select both "Hide transclusions" and "Hide links" filters to display the redirects to the redirect target page.

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June 8

June 7

Bruhat

Bruhat → Yvonne Choquet-Bruhat (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

There are also François Bruhat and Georges Bruhat. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 23:59, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

First fire

First fire → Furnace#First fire (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Exists from a previous PROD but the target is now a DAB - and the phrase doesn't appear in any of the articles Ivey (talk - contribs) 16:29, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Assuming the PRODed content was accurate (it was unreferenced but plausible, although mostly how-to) then this is a specific term in relation to furnaces (google suggests it isn't limited to any one type). My first thought was "origin of fire", searching that phrase led me to The Origin of Fire, which is a 1902 Finnish cantata and I would be very surprised to land there after using this search term! Control of fire by early humans is closer to what I was thinking of but I'm not certain that's close enough? It wouldn't help people who are looking for the usage in relation to furnaces, but it is linked as "earliest fire" on Template:Human timeline and it is the primary topic when I google "first fire" -Wikipedia when I exclude partial title matches of (probably non-notable) businesses and histories of fire brigades. Thryduulf (talk) 02:18, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Another thought I just had was when earth's atmosphere could first support (sustained) fire (I vaguely recall a PBS Eons or SciShow episode about this). Google results for my vague query string suggest this was the result of the Great Oxidation Event but that article does not include the word "fire" and nor does Neoproterozoic oxygenation event linked in the hatnote. I haven't been able to think what we would title an article about this topic, and my vague searches are just leading me to articles about the (far) future - the exact opposite of what I'm looking for. Thryduulf (talk) 02:38, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Fossil record of fire would be a decent article for that other thought. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 02:50, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed it would, thank you. Looking at this with (slightly) more awake eyes I'm thinking the best option here is either a set index/disambig or a redirect to Control of fire by early humans with hatnotes to Fossil record of fire and something related to the furnace/kiln sense if we have any relevant content. I'm about to add a hatnote from the former to the latter based on the History of fire redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 10:16, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Cremastra (Go Oilers!) 15:55, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

East coast of Scotland

East coast of Scotland → Scotland (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Delete - not very helpful. I rather expected an article on the east coast of Scotland. Cremastra (Go Oilers!) 15:48, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Chart

Template:Chart → Template:Tree chart (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Delete and move Template:ChartDisplay in its place. See Template talk:ChartDisplay#Parameter case and Wikipedia:Bot requests#Rename all usages of Chart to TreeChart. This will require a bot to replace uses of the redirect before deleting it. With mw:Extension:Chart, it makes more sense to have the template at {{Chart}}. Currently the redirect accounts for about 10% of the uses of {{Tree chart}} (900/9900). Qwerfjkl talk 11:14, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. No objections here. --Yodin^T 14:13, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Psynapse

Psynapse → List of Inhumans (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I apologize if this is the wrong venue. The Norwegian pro-psychedelic group Emmasofia has changed it's name to Psynapse. I can't move the article to "Psynapse" because it's occupied by this redirect. What's the proper way to handle this? Prezbo (talk) 09:05, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Prezbo: The article needs to be moved to Psynapse (organization), since the subject isn't the primary topic, and this redirect should be left alone (since it appears to be a significant R with history). CycloneYoris ^talk! 09:29, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know what defines a primary topic, but I would argue that the organization is more important than the comic book character. Prezbo (talk) 09:30, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have a hard time believing the comic book character is primary over the organization. At best, neither is, but I'd lean toward the org being primary. In either of those cases, the current redirect can be moved without leaving a redirect to a disambiguated title, and then the org can either be moved to the base title, or a dab page can be created at the base title. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 19:25, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Richie Sunak

Richie Sunak → Rishi Sunak (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Uncommon typo, unlikely to be used A1Cafel (talk) 03:35, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep My web searches indicate this typo is fairly common. I'd argue it's a plausible phonetic spelling as well. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 03:43, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep possible misspelling and also likely a deliberate misspelling referring to his wealth. Cremastra (Go Oilers!) 15:52, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - phonetically very similar, plausible spelling mistake. Redirect gets a few hits a month and is going to the right place - should be kept BugGhost 🦗👻 16:48, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Referendum on EU membership

Referendum on EU membership → Brexit (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Clearly not referred to Brexit, most likely the 2016 United Kingdom European Union membership referendum A1Cafel (talk) 03:30, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Referendums related to the European Union Several countries have had these sorts of referendums, not just the UK, so this phrase is ambiguous. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 03:46, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget per Presidentman. Doesn't need discussion, simple error. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 09:03, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget per above BugGhost 🦗👻 16:49, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

June 6

Earl Sweatshirt's third studio album

Earl Sweatshirt's third studio album → Some Rap Songs (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Placeholder name for then-untitled album. Has long been released and known by a name. Roast (talk) 23:03, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep WP:CHEAP and accurate. Someone might have forgotten the name; this redirect is pretty harmless. Cremastra (Go Oilers!) 01:37, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Agree, keep. DrinksOrCoffee_talk^Contribs 17:20, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, WP:COSTLY and mostly useless. A reader generally wouldn't (and shouldn't) expect "X's $n$ th studio album" to be the way to find it. Looking at the page history, we see a WP:CRYSTAL ball article, which was PRODded and then redirected a couple times...this has approximately zero keep value. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 22:27, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Earl Sweatshirt's 2nd studio album

Earl Sweatshirt's 2nd studio album → I Don't Like Shit, I Don't Go Outside (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Placeholder name for then-untitled album. Has long been released and known by a name. Roast (talk) 23:02, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, WP:COSTLY and mostly useless. A reader generally wouldn't (and shouldn't) expect "X's $n$ th studio album" to be the way to find it. It was an unreferenced stub for a few days before being redirected, and there's no value in keeping it. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 22:29, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Jay-Z's twelfth studio album

Jay-Z's twelfth studio album → Magna Carta Holy Grail (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Placeholder name for then-untitled album. Has long been released and known by a name. Roast (talk) 23:02, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, WP:COSTLY and mostly useless. A reader generally wouldn't (and shouldn't) expect "X's $n$ th studio album" to be the way to find it. This one's especially unlikely given that "twelfth" is spelled out, and that none of the other previous 11 albums have such redirects. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 22:31, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Todd Smith (singer)

Todd Smith (singer) → Selah (group)#Todd Smith (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Previously a standalone article and recently merged per talkpage consensus. Todd Smith (musician) is an unrelated article. Given that he is a singer, and has individual notability, it would be better to have Todd Smith (singer) retargeted to Todd Smith (musician). A hatnote can be placed at the latter article to direct readers who may be seeking the singer of Selah. 162 etc. (talk) 22:16, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Request edit/sandbox/request

Template:Request edit/sandbox/request → Template:Edit COI/request/sandbox (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No appropriate target, the primary page redirects to Template:Edit protected of which no such subpage exists. ~ Eejit43 (talk) 20:58, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Robots in the Sky

Robots in the Sky → People in Planes (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Robots In The Sky → People in Planes (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

[1] Thepharoah17 (talk) 19:26, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I propose to retarget to Transformers: Robots in Disguise unless anybody has any objections or can prove me otherwise why it shouldn’t redirect there. Thepharoah17 (talk) 19:34, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, the reason for the current redirect is that People in Planes includes the text "Robots in the Sky" whereas no pages listed on the disambiguation do. Mishearing the words "robots in the skies" doesn't warrant a redirect based off a Reddit with limited interactions, especially as these redirects are the singular version of that. ~ Eejit43 (talk) 21:03, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep. Misguided nomination. We don't remove redirects for valid alternative names just because someone anecdotally misheard lyrics as a child. The only concievably acceptable course of action, if you think the terms are likely to be confused, would be to add {{redirect-distinguish|Robots in the Sky|Transformers: Robots in Disguise (disambiguation)}} as a hatnote to the current target, but even that is stretching it. --Paul_012 (talk) 09:14, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Noah Parker

Noah Parker → Atomic Betty#Noah Parker (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Noah Parker (disambiguation) → Atomic Betty#Noah Parker (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This character isn't explicitly mentioned here or at List of Atomic Betty episodes. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:09, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete Noah Parker (disambiguation) per G8, as target no longer extsts. The double-redirect bots need to be programmed to flag these instead of blindly retargeting. No opinion on the plain term for now. --Paul_012 (talk) 09:18, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Entertainment complex

Entertainment complex → Family entertainment center (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Vague term that doesn't seem to have a commonly understood meaning. Google searches return the Civilization VI game element as the top results. Places whose name include the term seem to be a mix of varied uses, including indoor malls with cinemas, bowling alleys, etc.; integrated resorts with casinos; sports and leisure centres; and some others. The only definition I could find was from The Complete Real Estate Encyclopedia via thefreedictionary.com, which says an entertainment complex is "A shopping center that features theaters, restaurants, amusements,and related retail stores". The Wikipedia article for home entertainment center claims "entertainment complex" as a synonym, but I find that highly questionable. There don't seem to be good discrete targets that could be listed in a disambiguation page, so suggest deletion. Paul_012 (talk) 09:42, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging Jothefiredragon, who first raised the issue at Talk:Family entertainment center. --Paul_012 (talk) 09:43, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
~~While I really want to state a specific comment. I really don't know what to say about this particular redirect.~~🐲Jothefiredragon🔥talk🧨contributions✨log🐉 09:53, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- redirect to Integrated Entertainment Business Bill as Reuters does use the term with this exact capitalization. “Thai lawmakers will begin deliberating a draft law for casinos and entertainment complexes next month”🐲Jothefiredragon🔥talk🧨contributions✨log🐉 11:06, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  - I would oppose retargeting to the Thai use, as it's over-specific. Entertainment complex (Thailand) could be redirected there instead. --Paul_012 (talk) 12:09, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
delete too vague Thepharoah17 (talk) 09:59, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. A complex is usually either multiple buildings or a building with multiple rooms. An entertainment complex would be one where those buildings/rooms provide some kind of entertainment, which is captured in Family entertainment center. I get that the use of 'entertainment complex' in Integrated Entertainment Business Bill is not as family friendly as Family entertainment center but this simply points to the fact that perhaps a new article is needed to capture the non-family friendly aspects of an entertainment complex. It does not mean that the redirect is redundant or misleading.
I agree with Paul that redirecting to the Thai use is over-specific. Katiedevi (talk) 15:29, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as vague. Could just as well refer to Multiplex, Amusement park, and probably some other things, none of which are close enough to point to. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:53, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

SoulStice

SoulStice → Soulstice (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This recent redirect by Cat-paw-v1 (talk · contribs) created this problem. This particular capitalization doesn't ever refer to the band this redirect now targets. FMSky (talk) 08:50, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Revert and restore article. Improper BLAR. The discussion over the merits of the article can take place at AfD if needed. --Paul_012 (talk) 11:08, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Restore PROD with a new timer. I know that's unusual, but this is just one of a whole slew of such invalid PROD -> BLARs made by this user, and this one seems like a pretty blatant waste of AFD time. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 14:05, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Would also support this. I didn't check the user's contribs, but if this continues then some form of sanction is probably warranted. --Paul_012 (talk) 07:02, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

University (Scandinavia)

University (Scandinavia) → University (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This used to target to List of universities and colleges in Sweden, which is too specific. The current target, on the other hand, is uselessly broad and doesn't even discuss Scandinavia. Rusalkii (talk) 23:13, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. We don't have any articles for which this would be a useful search term. Thryduulf (talk) 15:00, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to University college (Scandinavia). Worgisbor (congregate) 17:09, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Retarget to University college (Scandinavia); better target. 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ✝ 07:59, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, whilst university colleges are usually distinct from universities University college (Scandinavia) is pretty much dedicated to explaining the differences and similarities between 'university' and 'university college' in the Scandinavian context, making this a very suitable retarget. Katiedevi (talk) 15:40, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. University colleges are a different thing, so not an appropriate target. --Paul_012 (talk) 11:10, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- It seems this was created to avoid a red link at Oslo and Akershus University College, which had been added without explanation by an IP in Special:Diff/879955703. I've reverted the change, so it's now properly orphaned. I stand by my !vote to delete, given its origin as a result of disruptive editing. --Paul_012 (talk) 07:07, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nicholas Logan

Nicholas Logan → Organ Trail (film) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Michael Abbott Jr. → Organ Trail (film) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Olivia Grace Applegate → Organ Trail (film) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I would like to discuss deleting these three redirects. These three actors have other works that (at a glance) they are equally as known for (or even more so) as they are for Organ Trail (film). There is no information on any of these actors in the article, and they could be standalone articles, so I think this counts as WP:RFD#D10, but please correct my understanding if I am mistaken. IndigoManedWolf (talk) 06:32, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Blank, so that people are encouraged to contribute to the article. Otherwise I would also be okay with delete. Easternsahara (talk) 17:58, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I apologize, I'm new to RfD, so I'm not sure what blanking entails (what is being blanked?), but it sounds like something that I would also find agreeable. IndigoManedWolf (talk) 03:54, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If you are unsure what it means, how would you find it agreeable? Sorry, very strange response imho.--CNMall41 (talk) 03:58, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Specifically the "so that people are encouraged to contribute to the article", which is in general something I find agreeable. I would like to learn more about what exactly it means in this case, but if that is the result then I find it agreeable. I agree it does sound strange now that I reread it. IndigoManedWolf (talk) 04:00, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - "There is no information on any of these actors in the article" - Except there is. Absent their own page, a redirect is perfectly fine as they are associated as actors in the film. --CNMall41 (talk) 22:27, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry, that was hyperbolic when it shouldn't have been. Yes, it does have information on those three actors, specifically the names of the characters they played, and for two of them a mention that they were included in the cast of the film. IndigoManedWolf (talk) 03:53, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Appreciate it. Since it would not qualify under that criteria, are you going to withdraw the nomination at this point? --CNMall41 (talk) 03:58, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I did not intend to rely on that specific criterion, and I would like for other editors to weigh in with their own judgement. I also felt at the time that "virtually no information" included as little information as simply stating the name of a character an actor played, although I would again appreciate hearing from other editors about what is "virtually no information". IndigoManedWolf (talk) 04:05, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hearing from other editors is fine. But, what is your contention for why it needs deleted if it would not qualify under the initial criteria you cited? Those reviewing would need to know why you feel it needs deleted (e.g., the specific guideline it violates). --CNMall41 (talk) 04:08, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I apologize, I know I owe you a proper response as you are the one who created the redirects but I'm not able to give one right now. I will try in the morning. For now I will say that (in addition to the criterion I listed) as a reader, the redirect for Nicholas Logan felt jarring, and I would think similarly of the other two. I did not nominate Lukas Jann since, unlike the others, it looked like this is arguably the work he is most known for. IndigoManedWolf (talk) 04:43, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Again, very strange response. Is what it is but I would advise not nominating anything for deletion unless you have proper rationale. It can become disruptive. --CNMall41 (talk) 20:00, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also, you did not say "virtually no information" in your nonimation, you stated "no information." Just pointing out the contradiction. If they qualify for standalone articles, then create them. We don't delete redirects just because a page has not yet been created. I am confused all around about the rationale of the nomination. --CNMall41 (talk) 04:10, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Retarget Nicholas Logan to Nick Logan; Delete the others as there isn't enough substance to warrant a redirect there, and in favor of search which shows other passing mentions with a similar lack of substance. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 03:07, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete all to allow search to do its work and encourage article creation if warranted. --Paul_012 (talk) 11:13, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Square root of 25

Square root of 25 → 5 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Square root of 16 → 4 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

The purpose of redirects isn't to be a calculator. Readers shouldn't expect this redirect to exist, especially since Square root of 24 etc. do not. Other than the bare fact that 5 squared is 25, a reader directed to the article 5 finds no content having any specific relevance to 5 qua the square root of 25, only content consisting of miscellaneous unrelated facts. Indeed a reader would find more information of actual relevance at 25 (number). See also the current RFD for Square root of 4 and Square root of 9. The redirects for square root of 16 and 25 were newly created. Adumbrativus (talk) 05:52, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nuke from orbit...and people wonder why we cite WP:PANDORA 35.139.154.158 (talk) 14:10, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Cheap and unambiguous. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 19:34, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
WP:CHEAP is not a reason for keeping...it's a counterargument against complaints about burdens on server resources, which no one has made. On the other hand, these are ambiguous, because while they could redirect to the value, they could just as reasonably redirect to Square root § Square roots of positive integers. And as I said in the other RFD, why stop here? Why not have Square root of 2209 -> 47 (number)? Why not 47-((2^2)*7) -> 19 (number)? Surely that's unambiguous and cheap, right? The search utility is not a calculator. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 21:23, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
These are not ambiguous, as the "square root of 25" is only ever "5." The same goes for "square root of 16" and "4." Anything else is mathmatically impossible and incorrect. I would have no objection to creating similar redirects for whole integers. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 22:34, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
But there's no encyclopedic information about "the square root of 16" at the "4" article, while the other article I mentioned has encyclopedic content about the overall concept of square roots of positive integers, so is a more appropriate encyclopedic target. And Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a calculator. To pretend otherwise is a misuse of the search feature.
... the "square root of 25" is only ever "5." The same goes for "square root of 16" and "4." Anything else is mathmatically impossible and incorrect.
Not so, because nonzero numbers have two square roots. -4 is also a square root of 16, for example. In the biz, we say that 4 is the principal square root. All that being said, this is still pretty damned useless as a redirect. But anyway, between that and the ambiguity, it should be deleted. Would you support a bot run to make "Square root of $n$ " redirects for every article on integers we have. If someone did it by hand, would you support keeping them all anyway? 35.139.154.158 (talk) 22:52, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Why shouldn't 4 say somewhere that 4 is, in fact, the square root of 16? BD2412 T 19:53, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Personally I have no problem with redirecting Square root of 2209 to 47, though it seems kind of pointless. We get diminishing returns here, and I wouldn't personally create these past about the square roots of 9 or 16. But if you feel like making some bigger ones, knock yourself out. The other example of "47-((2^2)*7)" is utterly worthless; we don't need to turn Wikipedia's redirect engine into a full-featured calculator or make a redirect for every possible mathematical expression. –jacobolus (t) 18:28, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Leaning keep. I can take or leave these, but I agree with Presidentman's point. Phrases like "Square root of 25" exist in the real world, and they will only ever mean one thing, so it does no harm to have them point there. Wikipedia is well-stocked with redirects to titles from much longer formulations (e.g., th ungainly Charles Philip Arthur George Mountbatten-Windsor and HRH The Prince Charles, Duke of Rothesay both redirect to Charles III). BD2412 T 19:50, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as all of accurate, unambiguous and harmless. Deletion will not bring any benefits to anybody. Thryduulf (talk) 10:12, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, optionally redirecting to a section where 5's property of being the square root of 25 is explicitly discussed, if there is one. Redirects are cheap and in this kind of case completely harmless. It's a huge waste of time discussing these. –jacobolus (t) 18:26, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete WP:POINTy creations based on Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2025_May_14#Square_root_of_9. There my argument for keeping doesn't apply, so this is arbitrary math just for the sake of math. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 19:11, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- That is the main reason why me "keep" vote is a weak one. BD2412 T 19:38, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep harmless, cheap, and each of them has 35 or more pageviews in the last month, suggesting that it's somewhat useful. --Plantman (talk) 03:16, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

each of them has 35 or more pageviews in the last month—that's exactly since the start of this RfD, on the same date as their creation, so that tells us absolutely nothing. --Paul_012 (talk) 07:23, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Those square roots resulting in natural numbers (or integers in general) are synonymous. It is preferable to delete them all, unless there are some specific events based on history, as in square root of 2. If someone wants to keep those, better find something to make them interesting. Dedhert.Jr (talk) 13:31, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete not obvious synonyms, indeed, they aren't synonyms, since there are two square roots to any positive real number. The target articles have no coverage on being roots of other numbers. WP:NOTDIC lookup for a value. Perhaps someone should create a list of square roots of positive integers if they want such things to target something useful. -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 19:05, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Not what redirects are for. Unhelpful for readers who may be trying to learn more about the topic. --Paul_012 (talk) 11:16, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- To clarify, a reader who might plausibly search for "square root of 25" is most likely looking for explanation and instruction on the meaning of the operation and its calculation. They are not served by being blankly redirected to 5 without any explanation. The only explanation of this is in the caption of the second image in Square root, so that is the only plausibly acceptable target, though barely, so I would favour deletion rather than retargeting. --Paul_012 (talk) 07:23, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Also, these redirects are misleading because -5 and -4 are also square roots of 25 and 16. --Paul_012 (talk) 07:26, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Usually I would agree with the point that Plantman makes about page views providing a good indication about whether a redirect is useful, in line with WP:RFD#KEEP, but in this case it's quite clear that the page views have only been generated once this RfD was nominated. Anyone searching for the square root of 25 could easily also search for 5 with the help of a calculator so this redirect seems frivolous. Katiedevi (talk) 15:52, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Plantman DrinksOrCoffee_talk^Contribs 17:34, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Judge Bridlegoose

Judge Bridlegoose → Pantagruel (disambiguation) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Enwiki has no mention at all of "Judge Bridlegoose". The current target is not suitable, even if the current proposed deletion is declined. Delete. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:21, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak retarget to Gargantua and Pantagruel#The Third Book. Based on s:The Third Book, Bridlegoose is a character in the novel, so it may be helpful to the casual reader. Sdrqaz (talk) 04:36, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Not mentioned anywhere on Wikipedia. I expressly disagree with Sdrqaz's logic above; I see redirects from unmentioned fictional characters as a form of inherently confusing fancruft. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 03:02, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Either revert broken bot edit and properly fix the double redirect to Gargantua and Pantagruel, to restore the original intended target (this should have been done before bringing it to RfD), or delete for lack of mention. --Paul_012 (talk) 11:22, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There's been a murder

There's been a murder → Taggart (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

When I search this phrase, mostly what comes up is a card game and a Jay-Z song. I'll admit, my searches from the US might not come up with Taggart due to it being a Scottish show, but I still think this is far from unambiguous. I added {{R from quote}} if it is kept though. Casablanca 🪨^(T) 19:53, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment My searches from the UK are a roughly equal mix of Taggart and the card game, with Jay-Z not getting a single hit on the first four pages (I stopped looking at that point). We have no content about the card game that I've found, but there is an EP and a TV episode with this title, both references to Taggart (The Gresham Flyers#Extended plays, Dear Green Place#Season 1). Thryduulf (talk) 00:39, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Disambiguate per Thryduulf's findings. I'm unfamiliar with the series so perhaps I just don't know how closely associated the phrase is with it, but it reads as much too vague to me to be a reference to just one thing, especially when that thing's article doesn't mention the phrase verbatim. I do see it in multiple headlines discussing the series ([2][3][4]) so I imagine a mention could be added. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 20:23, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete These uses seem quite marginal. I'm skeptical such a disambiguation page would be any more useful than search results. --BDD (talk) 18:04, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per BDD. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 02:59, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Disambiguate per QuietHere. mwwv ^converse∫_edits 23:36, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Earl of Inchequin: restoration of honours, manors, lands and tenements in Ireland.

Earl of Inchequin: restoration of honours, manors, lands and tenements in Ireland. → Murrough O'Brien, 1st Earl of Inchiquin (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Delete. Created as a redirect to the current target two years ago, but I can't see why. This sounds like a quotation of a title, but the only appearance of tenements in the article is the title of an Act of Parliament: An Act for restoring unto Murrough, alias Morgan, Earl of Insiquin, all his Honours, Manors, Lands, and Tenements, in Ireland, whereof he was in Possession on the 23th of October, 1641, or at any Time since. Since this is significantly different from the original title, I don't think it's plausible enough to retain. As well, the concluding full stop is unlikely to be included, so it's even less plausible. Nyttend (talk) 04:53, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Previously linked from List of acts of the Parliament of England from 1660 (Special:Permalink/1143701340). Link now points to Earl of Inchequin Restoration Act 1660. I've tagged the nominated redirect as R avoided double redirect. --Paul_012 (talk) 11:31, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete It's a partial title match as the nominator notes, and "Inchiquin" is misspelled to boot. I don't see how this is a plausible search term. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 15:47, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

User:JPHestel

User:JPHestel → User:AlphaBeta135 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This user page should not redirect to my user page as I do not own (and did not create) this account. Identical cases occurred in the following user pages: User:ExtendedConfirmed, User:Central Mass Array, and User:Rovalskia. AlphaBeta135 talk 02:42, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ExtendedConfirmed deleted under criterion U2. We often retain redirects for renamed users, but most of those people have used their accounts for non-trivial purposes, whilst all four of these accounts put together have just seven edits, six of which involve redirecting their userpages to you in some manner. A single edit to List of closed railway lines in Japan really isn't enough to make me believe that this is a good-faith, useful account whose renaming should be retained. All of the others should be deleted slowly, since it's preposterous to redirect User:A to User:B if the accounts aren't really related. Nyttend (talk) 05:02, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
All of these user pages were originally intentionally redirected by the account owners to one another, and ultimately to User:AlphaBetaGamma. If they are valid alternative accounts of AlphaBetaGamma, then revert broken bot edits and restore redirects to User:AlphaBetaGamma. Otherwise, speedy delete under G3 as bad-faith vandalism. They got redirected to AlphaBeta135's user page as a result of what I assume was an April Fools' joke when AlphaBetaGamma redirected his user page to AlphaBeta135's for a day, and the bots picked up on that. I would also make use of the trout button on AlphaBetaGamma's user page for the poorly thought out joke. --Paul_012 (talk) 11:50, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
First of all, I apologize to AlphaBeta135 for this nonsense.

I don't even remember what I was trying to do by randomly creating an account for nothing (The redirect to this account was in fear that the accounts would be treated as a bad sock), and I don't understand how I manage to do the stupidest moves - not just limited to Wikipedia - literally anywhere on the internet every once in a while. I forgot about the accounts when I did the redirect thing on April 1, so I didn't realize the unintentional harm and disruption this would cause.

Thank god I was notified of this earlier, because I've never successfully appealed a ban/block anywhere on the internet before, since apparently I'm too much of a failure to be considered constructive anywhere or be trusted, even in real life. I'm sure people won't believe what I say over my wrongdoings, but I really didn't mean to cause harm to Wikipedia by doing that. AlphaBetaGamma (Talk/report any mistakes here) 13:11, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No one wants to block you, AlphaBetaGamma; Paul_012 just wasn't sure whether the accounts actually belonged to you. Would you like the userpages redirected back to your main user page, or is there something else you'd like to do with them (like adding Template:User alternative account)? Extraordinary Writ (talk) 20:19, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Blocklog

Wikipedia:Blocklog → Special:Log/block (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Redirect to a special page, therefore the redirect doesn't actually work (it's more like a soft redirect). I don't know if converting into a soft redirect using {{Soft redirect}}, or retarget to something like Help:Log, which describes this process. Or even retarget to the historical page Wikipedia:Historical archive/Logs/Block log, to match WP:Block log. Justjourney (talk | contribs) 02:19, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Technical comment If everyone thinks the current target is good, i.e. we want people searching for "WP:Blocklog" to end up at the block log special page, the technical setup shouldn't be a reason to do anything except replace the current coding with the proper {{Soft redirect}} coding. Nyttend (talk) 05:04, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Convert to soft redirect. This has existed since 2004, so I'd avoid messing too much with it. --Paul_012 (talk) 11:56, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Kim Hye-kyung

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Procedural close.

Wikipedia:MODS

Wikipedia:MODS → Wikipedia:Administrators (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I feel like this is better off being retargetted to Wikipedia:Moderators, as "mods" is short for "moderators" and in any case, Wikipedia admins are not mods. --Plantman (talk) 03:20, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment could also be targeted to WP:Modifications. Legend of 14 (talk) 03:30, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've never heard "mods" as short for "modifications", only "moderators". --Plantman (talk) 03:35, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Never heard of downloading a mod for a game? Or see What is body mod. Or see Garry's Mod. Legend of 14 (talk) 03:40, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Well, tbh I don't really play video games. But I also don't see how any of the listed uses of "mod" are related to Wikipedia policy. I hear the term "discord mods" or "reddit mods" a lot more, and people are more likely to look for "Wikipedia:MODS" with that latter sense of the word in mind. --Plantman (talk) 04:02, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. Legend of 14 (talk) 16:39, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That’s fine. You don’t have to agree with me, I was just trying to explain my point of view. --Plantman (talk) 17:09, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguate between the these topics, and WP:Bureaucrats as well -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 04:55, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"Mods" as in moderators strikes me as the most nautral by far, "mods" as in modifications (video game or otherwise) seems unnatural in this context. My inclination would be to point to Moderators and maybe hatnote Modifications; a dab page seems excessive for a project shortcut with very small number of incoming links. We could add the crats to the Moderators disambig page as well, and then that'll cover all the topics suggested by the IP. Rusalkii (talk) 18:10, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- In my opinion, modifications would just be as likely, as you'd want to know what mods (modifications, software modules, addons, extensions) Wikipedia is running on MediaWiki, to figure out what functions are available. -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 19:14, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Wikipedia:Moderators which is a list of things that could be called "moderators". IMO, in the context of Wikipedia, "mods" as in "moderators" is a more plausible target, but a hatnote to WP:Modifications would still be useful. 🦬 Beefaloe 🦬 (talk) 10:40, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Wikipedia:Moderators with a hatnote to Wikipedia:Modifications. Malinaccier (talk) 17:12, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Retarget to Wikipedia:Moderators and add hatnote per above. That disambiguation page also lists failed proposals of Wikipedia moderators, which WP:MOD leads to one of them (2016 proposal). Also, should we bundle WP:MOD into this nomination? Justjourney (talk | contribs) 03:29, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Wikipedia:Moderators per others above. Apparently this had been raised way back in 2009 where it was already agreed to be misleading. --Paul_012 (talk) 12:00, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: there are no actual uses of this redirect. There's the discussion about the redirect referred to by Paul_012, and there's a typo on Category talk:Concertos by Arthur Sullivan where the intent was to point to the manual of style. All other references are related to this deletion discussion. If there are no extant uses since its creation in 2007, I don't see a need to redirect it to a disambiguation page. isaacl (talk) 18:27, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ISO 3166-2:UNK

ISO 3166-2:UNK → XK (user assigned code) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned in target, which is about ISO 3166-1 codes. ISO 3166-2 is for subdivisions, and no subdivisions are discussed in the target. I can't find reference to this code anywhere at all, though Google my just be failing me with the weird formatting. Rusalkii (talk) 16:54, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There is no UN code in 3166-1, so UNK is not a valid 3166-2 code. Delete. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 22:12, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment this is almost certainly not a proper code as such, but a placeholder entry for when the proper value is UNKnown. Thryduulf (talk) 15:13, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

UNK identifies Kosovo residents to whom travel documents were issued by the United Nations Interim Administration in Kosovo (UNMIK).

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Reese River Hot Springs

Reese River Hot Springs → Reese River (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Ruby Valley Hot Springs → Ruby Valley, Nevada (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No hot springs are mentioned in the target; misleading redirect for anyone looking for information on them. Rusalkii (talk) 18:50, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Rusalkii: I found some information on both of them when looking on google, but I'm not sure if the sources I found are reliable enough to merit inclusion of these terms in the article. E.g. this source for Reese River Hot Springs and Ruby Valley Hot Springs. I feel like the second one could be included, but I'm not 100% sure on either of them (especially the first one). I'd love to hear your thoughts on this, since you're obviously much more experienced with these types of things than I am. Thanks, --Plantman (talk) 00:29, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

First source looks like a blog-like site and not great for this. Second source is ... eh? I probably wouldn't add it personally but I wouldn't remove it if it was added. Rusalkii (talk) 00:32, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I don't think the first one warrants inclusion. I found another source for #2 though... what do you think? --Plantman (talk) 00:37, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Forgot to ping: @Rusalkii --Plantman (talk) 00:38, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Looks user-generated (see [5]), I'd say I prefer the first source. Rusalkii (talk) 00:40, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Shoot, you're right. I should have looked into it more; that was my fault! --Plantman (talk) 00:41, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete the first one, retarget the second one to Ruby Valley as I've added some content there about it. Special:Diff/1292630298 --Plantman (talk) 00:48, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: do either merit a mention?
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Welcome to Wikipedia

Welcome to Wikipedia → Help:Getting started (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 April 15 § Welcome to Wikipedia – retarget to Wikipedia:Welcome

Cross-namespace redirect; very low view counts. MouseCursor ^{or a keyboard?} 08:55, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I'm often skeptical of cross-namespace redirects, but this one seems harmless and natural enough. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:49, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Per Pppery Servite et contribuere (talk) 21:41, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep; helpful. J 947 ‡ ^edits 22:30, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The problem with cross-namespace redirects is generally that they're confusing (you want an article but reach a project page), especially for people who wanted something unrelated to a Wikipedia project page, but if you enter this page, you're obviously wanting something about Wikipedia itself, and you get exactly what you asked for. Nyttend (talk) 03:33, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per all above. Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 April 15#Welcome to Wikipedia closed with a consensus to retarget this from Wikipedia:Introduction (now Help:Introduction) to Wikipedia:Welcome, which is now a redirect to Help:Getting started. Thryduulf (talk) 17:41, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete wrong namespace to create such a redirect. Try at WP:Welcome to Wikipedia instead. Not useful for the readership, per the low viewcount. Not an appropriate use of articlespace. Anyone making a bluelink with such, would know not to use articlespace, as an experienced user/editor. Anyone not knowning, woulding enter this anyways. if kept retarget to Main Page, the welcome portal for Wikipedia -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 07:18, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with all that the cross-namespace is not a concern. However, the target, which is for editors, is not appropriate either. ~~Retarget to Help:Introduction~~ which is for all users of Wikipedia, readers and editors, or someone who wants to start navigating, exploring, collecting information. Jay 💬 02:33, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on the proposed new target?
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Struck in favour of TheTechnician below. Jay 💬 08:25, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Wikipedia:About which is "a general introduction for visitors to Wikipedia" (which also immediately links aspiring contributors to a guide in case that's what they want). Current target Help:Getting started dumps newcomers into a page specifically for aspiring contributors. Jay is correct about this but is deeply mistaken about Help:Introduction. Among Help:Introduction's first words are: "This page takes you through a set of tutorials aimed at complete newcomers who wish to contribute." Pinging Pppery, Servite et contribuere, J947, Nyttend, and Thryduulf to see if they may support a retarget, as I think "should this redirect exist?" has been resolved but that "is this the right target?" was never adequately explored. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 21:58, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Below the editing links on Help:Introduction, I saw Talk Pages, Navigating Wikipedia, and Manual of Style, and thought it is a good mix of editing and reading. I agree that Wikipedia:About is better. I have struck the earlier suggestion. Jay 💬 08:25, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Wikipedia:About per above. Justjourney (talk | contribs) 03:48, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Wikipedia:About. Not a very plausible search term, but it still has a lot of incoming links from people using it in talk page messages to new users. Granted, most of them are from the very early days and it would be no huge loss if some links went red on 20-year-old user talk messages, but it's enough to sway me toward keeping it. And the new suggested target does seem better. -Elmer Clark (talk) 04:09, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Keep or retarget?
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Note: Pinging Pppery, Servite et contribuere, J947, Nyttend and Thryduulf to check if the retarget suggestion changes their !vote. --Paul_012 (talk) 12:13, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, useful. DrinksOrCoffee_talk^Contribs 17:38, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak preference for my earlier vote. Help:Getting started and Wikipedia:About are both good targets, but I prefer the help page primarily because Wikipedia:Welcome to Wikipedia targets it. If — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nyttend (talk • contribs) 20:39, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Austria in the Eurovision Song Contest 2000 Sims2aholic8 (talk) 10:00, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Austria in the Eurovision Song Contest 2000 Thepharoah17 (talk) 10:06, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Thepharoah17 and Sims2aholic8: Is it ok if I boldly retarget all the rest of the Eurovision Song Contest song redirects to the "[country] in the Eurovision Song Contest [year]" articles? There are a lot of them in Category:Avoided double redirects to be updated, but sending too many to WP:RfD can be costly, so I'm just doing these few as test cases to set a precedent. Duckmather (talk) 16:38, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ya sure go ahead. Thepharoah17 (talk) 17:55, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Gooner

Gooner → Goon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Gooners → Arsenal F.C. supporters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Gooning → Edging (sexual practice) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Goons → Goon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I'm not sure whether there is a primary topic for these terms or not. There's masturbation, Arsenal FC fans, henchmen, and several other possible meanings. I thought about retargeting all of them to Goon (a disambiguation page), but then I started having second thoughts, and also my edit on Gooners was reverted by Golem08, so here's an RfD instead. My opinion is still to weak retarget all of them to Goon but I am open to other opinions. Duckmather (talk) 00:22, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Arsenal F.C. supporters That is the main term for it (and if anything should be the main article title under commonname but I can accept consistency with similar articles). The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 04:42, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- The C of E, did you mean to !vote for just Gooner, or also the other nominated redirects as well? --Paul_012 (talk) 12:06, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  - @Paul 012: Gooner and Gooners to Arsenal supporters, yes. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 16:02, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    "Gooner" as a synonym for soccer fans may be common in England, but I assure you that the sexual meaning is much more common elsewhere. Unlikely to be the primary topic. 162 etc. (talk) 22:20, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Goons. Plural-to-singular is nearly always better than plural-to-anythingelse. Exceptions exist, e.g. Queens (geography) doesn't go to Queen (monarch), or Gods (polytheism) doesn't go to God (monotheism), or Indies (geography) doesn't go to Indie (disambiguation for heaps of things, most non-geographical). However, it seems very unlikely that "goons" has a meaning unrelated to the plural of "goon" — to me, it evokes a Mafia boss sending a group of thugs, any of which would be "a goon". Retargeting it to people who barrack for a specific sporting club seems very unhelpful. No opinion on anything else. Nyttend (talk) 05:42, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In three parts:
- Gooner(s) seems ambiguous between Arsenal supporters and those who engage in gooning (masturbation). But, based on Google and Google News results, I'm tentatively convinced that Arsenal supporters are the more common usage, and for only two targets a hatnote is preferable to redirecting to a DAB where many senses won't apply. Weak unify Gooner(s) at Arsenal F.C. supporters with hatnote to Edging (sexual practice), second choice retarget to DAB.
- Keep Gooning. The only other sense of that as a gerund is gooning (kidnapping). That sense used to be the primary landing page, but I disambiguated it and then found that 86% of clicks were going to the masturbation sense, so I retargeted there. I'd need to see strong evidence that anything else is called "gooning" nearly as often as that is to support a retarget/DAB.
- Keep Goons per Nyttend.
-- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 09:18, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Gooners and retarget Gooner to Arsenal F.C. supporters for consistency as primary topic, although a hatnote would certainly be useful to avoid confusion. Goons and gooning seem fine to me. Golem08 (talk) 17:40, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Goons, Gooners, and Gooning, retarget Gooner to Arsenal F.C. supporters with hatnote Primary targets. Worgisbor (congregate) 19:48, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Have both Gooner and Gooners unified at Arsenal F.C. supporters with a hatnote. Keep Gooning. No opinion on Goons. --Schützenpanzer (Talk) 20:20, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

June 5

ImmigrationToFinland

ImmigrationToFinland → Immigration to Finland (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Useless redirect. Implausible typo. Was page’s original title. Thepharoah17 (talk) 22:39, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep as it's unambiguous, and this is also attested (though poorly so, and not always with this exact capitalization) on "immigrationtofinland" google search. Duckmather (talk) 00:05, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Target page was at this title for less than a day. Since that day occurred in 2009, this redirect is not old enough to be a valid {{R from CamelCase}}. Steel1943 (talk) 17:38, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Apopka Chief

The Apopka Chief → Apopka, Florida#External links (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

"The Apopka Chief" is the town newspaper which is in fact linked in the external links section. My instinctive reaction is that pointing to an external links section is obviously incorrect, but I can see the argument that this is in fact helpful. I'm not sure what to make of this redirect, thoughts? Rusalkii (talk) 21:50, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete If we do that why don’t we just redirect to its website? Thepharoah17 (talk) 21:58, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to List of newspapers in Florida#Daily and weekly newspapers (currently published), where it is mentioned with a link to the town's article, as a {{R to list entry}}. Thryduulf (talk) 22:19, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. In addition, no other such redirects target "List of newspapers in Florida", leaving me to make the same argument I made at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 4#Moldorm: "the subject of this redirect has affinity to [Apopka, Florida], meaning readers looking up this term probably are not trying to locate an article about [newspapers in Florida]." Steel1943 (talk) 21:47, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Bindzsisztán

Bindzsisztán → Majka (rapper) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I believe this is a satirical reference to a fictional corrupt country mentioned in one of Majka's songs (though I am running the source through Google translate, which isn't always great with non-Indo-European languages). Not mentioned in target, a and confusing without a mention. Rusalkii (talk) 21:35, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

delete no mention in target. Thepharoah17 (talk) 22:00, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Bindzsisztán is a common Hungarian phrase which stems from a Majka song. It can be useful for Hungarians or anyone interested in Hungarian music or politics. I am even willing to write about Bindzsisztán in the Majka article if the problem is that it isn't mentioned in the target article. Crocusfleur (talk) 09:50, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I added a section to the article discussing the song, mentioning "Bindzsisztán". Kovcszaln6 (talk) 14:41, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Masahiro Nakai v. Fuji TV

Masahiro Nakai v. Fuji TV → Fuji Television sexual harassment scandal (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I can't find any usage of his phrase anywhere, and it isn't a natural way to refer to it given that the scandal here appears to be Fuji TV covering up Nakai's actions. To me, this redirect strongly implies a lawsuit which does not appear to have happened. Rusalkii (talk) 21:14, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

delete not useful if there’s no lawsuit. Thepharoah17 (talk) 22:02, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Cars 2006

Cars 2006 → Cars (film) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Too ambiguous. Delete Thepharoah17 (talk) 20:48, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

At minimum this is ambiguous between Cars (film) and Cars (video game), for which Cars (franchise) is a better target than a dab page. I wondered about a list 2006 car models, but we don't seem to have one. We do have Category:Cars introduced in 2006 but apparently no equivalent list (and nothing about the search term indicates the searcher is wanting only cars introduced in a given year). Further, this is the only title we have starting "Cars 20" and there are none starting "Cars 19" so it's clearly not an established pattern. I'm presently torn between retargetting to Cars (franchise) as ambiguous between only a small number of things we have suitable targets for, and deletion as being too ambiguous when considering possible meanings we don't have articles for too. Thryduulf (talk) 22:32, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Shrek song

Shrek song → All Star (song) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Way too ambiguous. Delete Thepharoah17 (talk) 20:44, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I'm more partial to "Holding Out for a Hero" myself. Steel1943 (talk) 21:55, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
...There's the type of page I was looking for, but didn't find earlier: retarget to List of songs featured in Shrek. Steel1943 (talk) 17:39, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to List of songs featured in Shrek. It's admittedly not an article in the greatest shape, but it feels like an appropriate alternative to deletion. Leafy46 (talk) 15:53, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Anti-Israel protests on university campuses in the United States

Anti-Israel protests on university campuses in the United States → Gaza war protests in the United States#Universities (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Unnecessary freakishly long redirect that could refer to Gaza war protests in the United States, 2024 pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses, or 2025 pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses. Also WP:CSD G5 could apply here. Delete. Thepharoah17 (talk) 20:27, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Would anyone ever type this? Catboy69 (talk) 20:42, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Disambig. This is a plausible search term for multiple targets so we should disambiguate, not leave the reader hunting through search results (which may be several clicks/taps away) that may or may not contain the article they are looking for. Thryduulf (talk) 20:49, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Disambig per Thryduulf. This is a plausible search term, given that most of the protests regarding the Gaza War are anti-Israel. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 22:12, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Retarget to just Gaza war protests in the United States rather than Gaza war protests in the United States#Universities specifically. The latter is a subsection of the "Responses" section, and is in fact specifically about the responses to the protests and not the protests themselves, so is definitely unsuitable. The protests themselves are covered geographically, with no single subsection that covers universities, so there's no obvious better subsection target. I'm not sure 2024 pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses and 2025 pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses are helpful disambiguation options since they're essentially sub-articles of Gaza war protests in the United States - in other words, everything in them is more generally covered there, and I think if people were looking for year-specific details they'd include a year. But if there are any articles that substantially cover anti-Israel campus protests that weren't in the context of the Gaza War, e.g. any prior to 2023, I'd support disambiguating with those. -Elmer Clark (talk) 03:57, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Could you elaborate on why WP:CSD G5 might apply here? -Elmer Clark (talk) 03:59, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Because the user who created the redirect is a blocked sockpuppet. Thepharoah17 (talk) 04:23, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Disambiguate to cover the current target and the other articles mentioned by the nominator. Nyttend (talk) 06:11, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Filmi music

Filmi music → Filmi (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Filmi song → Filmi (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Filmi Songs → Hindi film music (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Filmi appears to be music in Indian cinema in general, whereas Hindi film music is only one part of Indian cinema. Filmi devotional songs too talks only about Hindi songs. Filmi qawwali includes Pakistan and Bangladesh as well, while Filmi pop appears to be Pakistan-specific. Apart from the redirects needing to be consistent, should we also make one of these a disambiguation page, in case Filmi is not seen as the WP:BCA umbrella topic? Jay 💬 10:40, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on the nom's proposal?
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• Keep Filmi music and Filmi song
• Remove Filmi songs since you rightly point out that 'Filmi' refers to Indian cinema in general. I'm not sure a disambiguation page is necessary. It may be more useful to update the pages you have mentioned to be more inclusive, but I am open to discussion. Katiedevi (talk) 15:39, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget Filmi Songs to Filmi, Keep Filmi song and Filmi music targeted as they are. I agree that there seems to be an issue with Filmi's coverage being limited to India while articles like Filmi qawwali making it clear that "filmi" is not in fact India-specific. But I think it's clear the same concept is being described and this is just an issue of inadequate coverage in Filmi. I don't see the need for a DAB. -Elmer Clark (talk) 04:38, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Several variants suggested here, thoughts?
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Vichy water

Vichy water → Mineral water (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mention in the target article. Third-party search results for this phrase are mixed between a potential subtopic of the target article's subject and Vichy Catalán. Steel1943 (talk) 07:48, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Remove, Vichy Catalán is the most cogent redirect. Katiedevi (talk) 15:49, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete There are enough examples of this being used generically to refer to a type of mineral water, e.g. [6], that I'm not really a fan of redirecting to Vichy Catalán. But it's clearly not covered in mineral water even if it should be. -Elmer Clark (talk) 05:02, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I added Vichy Water Park to Vichy (disambiguation). Jay 💬 10:57, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Delete or retarget to Vichy Catalán or the disambig page?
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Dry heat

Dry heat → Dry heat sterilization (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

The current target does not seem to be anywhere close to a primary topic; searches are showing a mixture of cooking food (which is close to the target but not the same), natural climates in deserts, and some other stuff. There's also Dry Heat (manga) (where Dry Heat currently redirects which it shouldn't per WP:MISPLACED), and some other minor uses. Either disambiguate or delete in favor of search. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 19:21, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguate for the sterilisation and the manga, and include any relevant articles about cooking and climate. Nyttend (talk) 06:12, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Stubify. I hate to argue for content creation being the outcome, but what is really needed here is a broad concept article describing what dry heat is and summarizing its applications. Normally, I'd argue for deletion to encourage article creation, but that would leave Dry Heat as the default topic for all searches, which is unsatisfactory. A disambiguation page may be an acceptable intermediate solution but there doesn't seem to be a great selection of articles that would broadly capture the various uses. Mdewman6 (talk) 23:57, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Just Do It (film)

Just Do It (film) → Melissa McCarthy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Cousin Irv from Mars → Melissa McCarthy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Cousin Irv from Mars (film) → Melissa McCarthy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No mention on target page or Google search results. Looks like a movie that went into production hell. Delete. Thepharoah17 (talk) 19:21, 5 June 2025 (UTC) Actually I did find this: [7]. Ya looks like they went into production hell. Thepharoah17 (talk) 19:37, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wokepedia

Wokepedia → Criticism of Wikipedia#Partisanship (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 28 § Wokepedia – retarget to Criticism of Wikipedia#Partisanship

"Wokepedia" or "Wokipedia" is not mentioned in the target article. The only thing I know is one of Elon Musk's posts (i.e. tweets) on X [twitter] joking about giving financial compensation if the Wikimedia foundation changes wikipedia to wokepedia (but my statement is completely unsourced and will need searching). Chuterix (talk) 13:53, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Probably something like this: [8] GoldRomean (talk) 03:38, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: There are secondary sources that mention the "wokepedia" moniker explicitly (e.g. [9][10]) so it would be easy to justify adding a sentence to Views of Elon Musk#Science and technology#Wikipedia and retargeting there. Rosbif73 (talk) 08:28, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Views of Elon Musk#Science and technology#Wikipedia, the "wokipedia" tweet is quoted there and "wokepedia" is a reasonable misrembering. Rusalkii (talk) 20:07, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The "properly" spelled Wokipedia also redirects to Criticism_of_Wikipedia#Partisanship, and can be bundled here. Also listed the RfD from last year. Jay 💬 10:33, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Retarget per Rusalkii. Thryduulf (talk) 18:25, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment What about Wookieepedia, Wiccapedia, and Wicapedia? Thepharoah17 (talk) 23:13, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wookieepedia is the only one of those that I could see this maybe being a typo for. --BDD (talk) 20:20, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Earthen Vessel

Earthen Vessel → Reformed Baptists#Strict Baptists (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

The word "Earthen" does not appear anywhere on the target page (let alone the target section) leaving the connection unclear, nor did it appear in the version that was current when the redirect was created in 2010. In 2009 an article at this title about a Christian instrumentalist band (formed that year in Alaska) was correctly speedily deleted under A7, and google results for "Earthen Vessel" band are about a 1970s "Jesus rock" band from the midwest, which suggest that it isn't nonsense but I'm non-the-wiser about what the meaning is. All the uses I've found on Wikipedia are about earthenware, which is what I expected when I saw it in the list of titles (when researching Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 June 4#Earthen) and I recommend retargetting there (as a {{R avoided double redirect}} of Earthen pot). Thryduulf (talk) 10:56, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I can't remember what I was thinking of when I created this, but vaguely remember going through articles for Baptist sects at one time, so I assume that I created it from some text that has since been deleted. I've got no particular background in Baptist history or culture beyond going down a Wikipedia rabbit hole a couple of years ago.

However looking up Google and this is the first hit I get for "Earthern Vessel" Baptist

https://www.baptists.net/history/category/strict-baptist-magazines/earthen-vessel/

JASpencer (talk) 13:41, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to something pottery-related, either earthenware or something better if someone can think of it. This is probably a reference to 2 Corinthians 4:7 in the King James Version (see King James Only movement, which is strong in Baptist-ism), but in a broader context it's not at all a good redirect. Nyttend (talk) 06:16, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Performative feminism

Performative feminism → Performative activism (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I initially thought Mainstream feminism was a good target, but it's a redirect. It's often used to refer to White feminism or Imperial feminism instead too. Is the current target any better? Vivb1 (talk) 19:07, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Any type of feminism could be performative, depending on the context. I wouldn't retarget to any of those places. The current target is more germane. But while it does mention a protest that could be characterized as feminist, it doesn't use the term, leading to the danger that a reader searching the term could be looking for more specific information than we could deliver. If we can't at least fit in a mention of feminism there, I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to deletion. --BDD (talk) 18:13, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

CTGP Revolution

CTGP Revolution → Wiimmfi#CTGP Revolution (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Section at target is deleted (none of the sources were reliable and independent, just fansites), brand new redirect to brand new target serves no purpose. Fram (talk) 09:46, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Taking a load off

Taking a load off → Wiktionary (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Delete this soft redirect. There are no internal links, and very little information in the wiktionary. So this seems to be a kind of bypass. Викидим (talk) 09:29, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget: Looking at its history, it's a REALLY old redirect to defecation that recently got changed to a soft redirect instead. So, retarget to defecation since no one objected to it in like a decade. Yelps ᘛ⁠⁐̤⁠ᕐ⁠ᐷ critique me 10:44, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Random (inflections of, no less) idiomatic expressions shouldn't have Wikt redirects. Moreover, what the hell? It means to relax or sit down. The very old redirect was probably just vandalism. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 14:28, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or {{wiktionary redirect}} If I'm going to be honest, I think "Taking a load off" should just use be a {{wiktionary redirect}} template. Wiktionary has a page, but Wikipedia isn't the place for words or phrases. Delete also seems okay. SeaDragon1 (talk) 16:59, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Wiktionary or delete. Certainly do not restore "defecation" as the idiom clearly more commonly means "to relax/unburden". Hyphenation Expert (talk) 19:10, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Why redirect it to our article about an online dictionary? If I looked for this phrase, I'd be almost as surprised to find it redirected to something about defecation. Nyttend (talk) 06:17, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Coffe

Coffe → Jean-Pierre Coffe (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Is this more a misspelling of coffee, or a last name? Stumbling9655 (talk) 08:45, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Coffee as a plausible misspelling. CycloneYoris ^talk! 09:08, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've changed my mind… keep but with a hatnote to Coffee (which I've just added now). CycloneYoris ^talk! 22:34, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Coffee and add a hatnote there linking to Jean-Pierre Coffe. I am bad at usernames (talk | contribs) 16:01, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per CycloneYoris. Steel1943 (talk) 17:35, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

K.u:K. Armee

K.u:K. Armee → Common Army (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

While commonly called the "k.u.k Armee" I believe this format, with the ":", is a typo, as even the edit summary creating it says "K.u.K Armee", and if not is very unlikely. I'd R3 it but it's too old for that. Rusalkii (talk) 22:46, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It is indeed a typo - it should be visible in the edit history. If this article needs to be deleted, then by all means, go ahead. I just figured it could be useful if someone else made the same spelling mistake I did while typing it in ;) CadiaStands42 (talk) 04:09, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Seems plausible enough to be useful to me. Note that on German keyboards, . and : are on the same key. -Elmer Clark (talk) 03:40, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Sulphur bath

Sulphur bath → Mineral water (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned in the target article, leaving the connection between the redirect and the target unclear. Steel1943 (talk) 07:47, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Not related - WP:R#DELETE "The redirect makes no sense" Asteramellus (talk) 01:41, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The article did sort of obliquely refer to sulfur baths until this edit by User:Livven. I'm not entirely sure about that edit - a lot of cited material cited to journals and CDC articles was removed as "unnecessary and misleading information" - but I don't think this would have been a very useful redirect even to the old version. -Elmer Clark (talk) 05:06, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Unrelated to the deletion discussion, but I do want to clarify the reason behind my edit: the previous content would be as if the Multivitamin article had a section "Positive effects of multivitamins" that listed all the vitamins and their positive effects. Which may sound reasonable on the surface, but if you actually look at the article and check research on multivitamins you'll find that evidence for positive effects from multivitamin intake is weak, because most people already get enough from their regular diet.

So even though vitamins in general are needed for health, a "Positive effects of multivitamins" section would be quite misleading, as it implies positive effects from a specific product (multivitamins) that don't exist. It would also be unnecessary, because the articles for individual vitamins presumably already contain information on their respective positive effects.

The same logic applies to the Mineral water article. Certainly some of the minerals will have positive effects (which the previous content did have citations for), but that doesn't mean mineral water itself has positive effects, because the amounts are negligible compared to other dietary sources (e.g. calcium) and are often not be higher than tap water in the first place. So the "Positive effects of mineral water" section which I deleted was indeed misleading, and also unnecessary considering that articles for individual minerals already exist. Livven (talk) 18:21, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Balneotherapy which is a target better than Mineral spring, target of Sulphur spring. Jay 💬 10:47, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Safe for drinking water

Safe for drinking water → Drinking water (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

The use of the word "for" in this nominated redirect makes it an unlikely redirect in reference to its target. The wording of this redirect makes it seem as though a reader would be looking for a concept such as a container that can be used for safe storage of drinking water, and such information seems to not be in the target article currently. Steel1943 (talk) 07:16, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. This is just water that is safe for drinking, i.e. drinking water. Thryduulf (talk) 15:30, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I agree that the scope of 'for' in a sentence can be ambiguous at times, however, redirecting Safe for drinking water to something like water bottle, which is what seems to have been suggested, seems odd. Personally, I don't think the 'for' is confusing in this case, however, if necessary, I'd prefer that the redirect is removed altogether rather than redirecting to another article. Katiedevi (talk) 15:58, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. As a redirect to drinking water, it's a mistyping of the phrase safe-for-drinking water (with hyphens), which is itself rare. The phrase "safe for drinking water" (with spaces) is more commonly used as an adjective phrase for a property of some pipes or bottles, analogous to food-grade. To the extent that the redirect helps with words-in-title searches intending to find drinking water, a new redirect from water that is safe to drink would be more natural. Jruderman (talk) 23:29, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Infused [Ww]ater

Infused water → Infusion (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Infused Water → Drinking water (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

These redirects should either have their targets synched or should both be deleted. I have no strong stance either way ... but am defaulting to weak delete if by chance there is no participation since I'm not certain these phrases can describe any specific subject. Steel1943 (talk) 07:09, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note, Infused water has a WP:BLAR'ed article hiding in its history, potentially a {{R with history}}. Steel1943 (talk) 07:11, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Most of the Google results for "Infused water" are references to fruit/herb-infused water, which we don't have a page on at the moment. So it would be unhelpful for the vast majority of people familiar with the term "infused water". --Plantman (talk) 07:21, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Infused water wasn't BLARed, it was redirected due to the consensus at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Infused water in 2017. Pinging the still-active participants @Bon courage, City of Silver, MjolnirPants, Roxy the dog, Bonadea, JzG, and Bearian:. Thryduulf (talk) 15:35, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I can't see the deleted content but as I recall it was complete bollocks and nothing was merged. Guy (help! - typo?) 15:38, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's still in the history of the redirect, and you are correct, it's bollocks. Just ad-copy language extolling the benefits of drinking it. Nothing useful to merge, really. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 16:00, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the ping. I recall this, even though my !vote was rather succinct.

The capital W page was created, then moved over a redirect to the lowercase w page. The lowercase w was, at some point, a redirect to Drinking water, so a bot came along and fixed the double redirect by changing the capital W's target to the drinking water article. Later, the lowercase w's redirect was removed and it was written up as an article extolling the virtues of drinking fruit and vegatable-infused water. That's where that prior AfD came into play. That resulted in the lowercase w being blanked and redirected to Infusion.

And now here we are.

I'm going to be bold and change the capital W's redirect target. If this discussion forms a contrary consensus, feel free to revert me and implement it. 16:11, 28 May 2025 (UTC) ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 16:11, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
...Which I have reverted per the hidden note generated by the {{Rfd}} template that states not to do that. If synching needs to occur, that can be performed at the conclusion of this discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 20:42, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

...Yep, that's an AfD. Read through the edit history too quickly. (But ... it is still technically a WP:BLAR since nothing was merged...) Steel1943 (talk) 16:57, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Smerge - as I write years ago, a few sentences are all they need. Bearian (talk) 16:34, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget Infused Water to Infusion (aka the current status quo as of MjolnirPants's boldness). Infusion covers infused water, Drinking water does not. -Elmer Clark (talk) 05:14, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Desalination membrane

Desalination membrane → Reverse osmosis (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned in the body of the target article in this specific manner, thus making it unclear why readers would be redirected to the current target article when searching this term. I was originally going to WP:BOLDly retarget this redirect to Membrane distillation, but after reviewing that article, I'm not convinced that that article and the nominated redirect represent the same subject, especially considering that Desalination is a separate article. Steel1943 (talk) 06:36, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - reverse osmosis relies heavily on membranes, and the section #Desalination does mention membranes quite a bit. While it doesn't outright say "desalination membrane" (except in the references) it does talk about membranes in the context of desalination a lot. --Plantman (talk) 06:47, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Switching to weak keep, more in favour of retargetting. See below. --Plantman (talk) 07:00, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I get that, but the same claim could apparently be made regarding membranes for the whole concept of Desalination in general; Reverse osmosis, Membrane distillation, and Desalination all make reference to using "membranes". Steel1943 (talk) 06:52, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Steel1943 I feel like either Reverse osmosis or Desalination is the best place for this to point to. I'm slightly leaning towards Desalination now, because it provides an overview of all the different uses of membranes in desalination process. That said, I wouldn't be opposed to keeping it as it is (pointing to RO) if there was a consensus to do so. --Plantman (talk) 07:00, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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RO/DI

RO/DI → Reverse osmosis#Aquariums (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Seems to be a WP:XY in the context which it is used. "RO" represents the nominated redirect's target ... but apparently, "DI" stands for Deionization, which is a redirect towards Purified water#Deionization, and thus apparently a separate subject. In addition, in the target article, the current target section and Reverse osmosis#Water and wastewater purification both mention deionization. With all this being said, and the fact this redirect is a mishmash of acronyms, probably best to delete this thing. Steel1943 (talk) 06:32, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The RO/DI combo is explicitly discussed in that article ("An effective combination of both RO and deionization is popular among reef aquarium keepers...") but not in Purified water#Deionization. And from discussions like [11] and [12], I get the impression that RO/DI water is considered a sort of subcategory of RO water, so even the parts of that section that don't explicitly address it might still be of interest to someone searching "RO/DI." -Elmer Clark (talk) 07:45, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom as first choice, or unrefine as second choice. If aquariums are the context for this redirect, then shouldn't Marine aquarium, which has multiple mentions, be the more appropriate (but surprising) target? Water purification would have been the best, but even there RO and DI are separate sections, and not mentioned together. Jay 💬 05:55, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Miley cryus

Miley cryus → Miley Cyrus (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Useless redirect. Swapping the y and the r completely change how you say the word. Cyber the tiger🐯 (talk) 04:41, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Perhaps an attempt at a pejorative name. Mdewman6 (talk) 06:56, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as a typo. DrinksOrCoffee_talk^Contribs 08:54, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom and Mdewman6. Not plausible enough, and likely created as a pejorative name. CycloneYoris ^talk! 09:21, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Quick internet search returns only earnest typos but no obvious pejorative uses. Brigandeur (talk) 09:57, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Random typos have no WP:AFFINITY to their target and should be neither created nor kept without some case-specific reason. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:02, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. An easy typo is reasonable, as is a non-capitalised version, but the two together don't seem sufficiently plausible. Nyttend (talk) 06:19, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Miley yrus

Miley yrus → Miley Cyrus (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Unlikely misspelling. Missing the first letter of a word makes it less likely then say if it misses the u for example. Cyber the tiger🐯 (talk) 04:37, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. We should not have redirects for missing letters of titles with no particular affinity over other missing letters. Mdewman6 (talk) 06:56, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Miley Cyprus

Miley Cyprus → Miley Cyrus (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Implausible misspelling. Cyber the tiger🐯 (talk) 04:33, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The artist is not a ~~tree~~ country. Mdewman6 (talk) 06:56, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

My bad, that would be Cypress. Mdewman6 (talk) 05:39, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, very unlikely misspelling. DrinksOrCoffee_talk^Contribs 08:51, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete she is not a country. --Schützenpanzer (Talk) 21:12, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete highly implausible Thepharoah17 (talk) 05:43, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Penes

Penes → Penis (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not a likely misspelling. Although that's how you say "penis" in Spanish, this is not the Spanish Wikipedia. This could also redirect to somewhere else. Cyber the tiger🐯 (talk) 04:24, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as it is bolded in the lede as a related term. Mdewman6 (talk) 06:53, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as a standard {{R from plural}}. Thryduulf (talk) 11:43, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Unless there's a very good reason, we should never delete plurals. Nyttend (talk) 06:20, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: valid plural, see the Latin and English section on Wiktionary. --Schützenpanzer (Talk) 15:19, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Defackating

Defackating → Defecation (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

not a very likely misspelling Cyber the tiger🐯 (talk) 04:10, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as implausible; very few results on google. Duckmather (talk) 00:12, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Implausible Thepharoah17 (talk) 00:17, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Mi País, Mi Orguyo

Mi País, Mi Orguyo → Coat of arms of Curaçao (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This is the motto on the short-lived winning selection before it was invalidated for copyright reasons, likely too specific to need a redirect, Alexander vee (talk) 02:53, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep But we discuss that redesign and the associated phrase. I'd keep and refine the target to Coat of arms of Curaçao#Replacement attempt. --BDD (talk) 18:16, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Gainer

Michael Gainer → Buffalo ReUse (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Bringing this here for discussion as reasonable minds disagree on whether it's an appropriate redirect. Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Gainer and User_talk:Star_Mississippi#Just_so_you_know. While I don't think the G4 applied and as such declined it, I am neutral as to the redirect's existence. Star Mississippi 02:35, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete and SALT this is a deliberate attempt to circumvent the consensus decision at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Gainer. Best, GPL93 (talk) 03:13, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I don't believe it's hurting anything. TheNewMinistry (talk) 03:21, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not a policy-based reason to keep. Best, GPL93 (talk) 03:58, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There is zero need for a Michael Gainer/Buffalo Reuse page that is constantly being written as a campaign ad for the founder rather than a history of the group. 2600:1017:B14D:558D:657D:8104:BB30:937C (talk) 11:49, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Currently my mind is split on this. The first thing, G4 would have not suffice since the page's been recreated as a redirect as opposed to the article. I have seen pages of (co)founders being redirected to the respective companies/organizations. Second, I read that AfD multiple times and, while I am getting the impression that it is a first step towards recreating as an article, circumventing the consensus, I do not see a reason not to delete the redirect as per previous precedent, but I unfortunately have to fall into the Weak keep camp in the meanwhile. I might reconsider if strong arguments were brought later. ToadetteEdit (talk) 17:36, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Buffalo Reuse had no real relevance on the national scale and has been inactive for a decade. There is zero need for a Wikipedia page beyond Mr Gainer writing fluff about him and publishing it on Wikipedia during an election cycle in which he is seeking office. It’s political nonsense. 2600:1017:B14D:558D:657D:8104:BB30:937C (talk) 11:51, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Don't speedy delete. G4 is only for reposts, which this obviously isn't. As well, when an article is deleted on notability grounds, it's quite common (and never fundamentally problematic) to see the title recreated as a redirect. Nyttend (talk) 06:22, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please consider deleting the Buffalo Reuse page. The information is not accurate and is an attempt at making another page for Michael Gainer 2600:1017:B14D:558D:657D:8104:BB30:937C (talk) 11:54, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No redirect, and the Buffalo Reuse page needs to be removed as well. Someone from Mr Gainers political team is editing it constantly to make it seem like Mr Gainer has a higher profile than he does. He’s trying to seek political office at the moment. 2600:1017:B14D:558D:657D:8104:BB30:937C (talk) 12:07, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Prakriti

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedy keep

June 4

Baby Lives Matter

Baby Lives Matter → Anti-abortion movements (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Pro-freedom → Abortion-rights movement (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

First subject is incredibly provocative, while the second one definitely has more uses than just abortion rights and needs a retargeting, though I'm not going to determine a target myself. Redirecter has had multiple RfD noms taken here already. Nathannah • 📮 22:57, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete second one
Weak keep first one but add "{{R from non-neutral name}}" template Thepharoah17 (talk) 00:08, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep the first one (you can add {{R from non-neutral name}}); delete or retarget second one. 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ✝ 01:28, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Baby lives matter, that's unambiguous. Delete (or disambig Pro-freedom), in the context of contemporary US politics the current target might be primary, but outside that context it is highly ambiguous - there are even US political sources from 2021 using it with a different meaning, and that ignores the meanings related to meanings like pro-Hong Kong independence from China, pro-Brexit, anti-vaccine, anti-big government, pro-laissez-faire capitalism, etc that appeared high in my google results. I don't object to disambiguation, I'm just sceptical that one could be made that wasn't completely unwieldy. Thryduulf (talk) 10:17, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Encyclopedia (iPhone application)

Encyclopedia (iPhone application) → Wikipedia#Mobile access (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Misleading, other encyclopedias have iPhone applications. I am bad at usernames (talk | contribs) 22:34, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I don’t see how it makes any sense. Seems random. Thepharoah17 (talk) 22:38, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The iPhone has never had a default encyclopedia app. Nathannah • 📮 22:46, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Chip Whitley

Chip Whitley → Conan O'Brien (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Did a google search, and Conan O'Brien wasn't mentioned for Chip Whitley searches. Appears to be fake. It is in page history of him having to do something with the actor. Don't know if the actor is notable enough or whether this redirect is legit or is fake. The user that created this also created a fake one called Dora The Ex-Toader. I think either Delete as one option, second option would be Draftify and crate article on actor or another one would be Keep. I am honestly neutral and I should let people who know about this and what it means debate and argue. Servite et contribuere (talk) 17:46, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The talk page comment by Ardric47 asked to look at the beginning of the target article, and the redirect creator agreed. This was 7-9 July 2005, and I don't find anything on Chip Whitley at the target around this time. Whereas in October 2005, Chip Whitley was merged to the target under the O’Brien's style section. The unsourced content, even if not fake, needn't be kept as it's minor, and may have been recentism for that time. Jay 💬 19:59, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Retarget to List of Late Night with Conan O'Brien sketches Seems to be a long-running gag from Conan, including a sketch on his TBS show where he used the alias on Tinder, so it's definitely a plausible (though very insider) redirect. Nathannah • 📮 00:59, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Traveler-oriented business

Traveler-oriented business → Travel (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Seems to be ambiguous to a point where there is no adequate target for this redirect. Some examples of targets this redirect could refer are Travel agency and almost any article about a subject that assists travelers (air, bus, train, etc.) Steel1943 (talk) 17:45, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Leaning delete for no good target. I wouldn't expect to find articles about modes of transport from this search term, but rather an article about the business sector aimed at travellers and tourists/tourism - travel agencies, tour operators, tourist information centres, Corporate travel management, that sort of thing. However we don't have an article on that I can find tourism sector is a redlink for example (Tourism sector in Iran is the only similar title to exist, but that's obviously not a suitable target here). Businesses provided services to the travelling communities (e.g. Gypsy, Roma and Traveller people (UK)), but I'd be very surprised if that was the primary topic but would definitely merit a hatnote or dab entry if we have an article. I support disambiguation in principle but I'm not sure it would be viable since I've failed to find articles that match the scope of pretty much everything I've thought of this could refer to. Thryduulf (talk) 23:14, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Travel agency per nom. Similar redirects to travel agency are Travel company, Travel services, and Travel consolidators. Jay 💬 19:04, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
At least the first two of those are also refer to much broader concepts than just travel agencies and so should be deleted alongside this one if we have no suitably broad target. The third redirect is a term I'm not familiar with and haven't investigated so no comment on that now. Thryduulf (talk) 19:20, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Thryduulf. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:48, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per Thryduulf. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 22:35, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Cinnamon soil

Cinnamon soil → Soil (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

The word "cinnamon" is mentioned nowhere in the target article, leaving the connection between the redirect and the target article unclear. However, the redirect's creator did post a comment on Talk:Cinnamon soil that hints the subject may possibly have WP:REDLINK potential. Steel1943 (talk) 20:30, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and tag as {{R with possibilities}}. If it wasn't for this RfD, you could have written the article first. Duckmather (talk) 00:10, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
...This vote reads like a "delete per WP:REDLINK". Steel1943 (talk) 06:34, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

High/Low phosphorus and titanium

High phosphorus and titanium → Soil (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Low phosphorus and titanium → Soil (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Given that the word "titanium" is mentioned nowhere in the target article, it is unclear by the target article what these redirects are meant to refer. Steel1943 (talk) 20:23, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Earthen

Earthen → Soil (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Seems as though this redirect could also refer to Land. Not sure if deletion or disambiguation is the best way to go, but I'm leaning towards delete. Steel1943 (talk) 20:21, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Almost all the uses on google are as an adjective, the names of non-notable companies, or in relation to a race in World of Warcraft: The War Within. The race is mentioned multiple times at our article on the video game, but not in a way that could anchor a redirect, all other uses I've found are as adjectives (Earthen floor, Earthen dam, Earthen plaster, etc). Retarget to Earth structure and a hatnote to Earthenware (where Earthen pot redirects) or Soft redirect to Wiktionary. I don't think a disasmbiguation is viable, given that almost(?) all the entries will be partial title matches. Thryduulf (talk) 10:38, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

FC Rapperswil-Jona (women)

FC Rapperswil-Jona (women) → FC Rapperswil-Jona (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Better as a redlink to encourage page creation, target currently has nothing on the women's team Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 15:02, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nomination. Achmad Rachmani (talk) 15:04, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Is a valid redirect. Svartner (talk) 18:16, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Without any information on the women's team at the target, this redirect is not helpful. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 13:48, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Asie Mineure

Asie Mineure → Anatolia (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

~~I don't think Anatolia is especially French. Delete per WP:FORRED. Duckmather (talk) 04:33, 25 May 2025 (UTC)~~[reply]

Keep Also known as Asia Minor and Asie Mineure is the French translation. So keep as unambiguous and harmless Servite et contribuere (talk) 04:59, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:FORRED. While there are a surprising number of hits on en.wp for this French phrase, they are all the titles of works written in French and there is no particular affinity between the French language and Anatolia. Thryduulf (talk) 10:50, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Thryduulf: In the late 1800s French was the main foreign language in Anatolia, the Levant, North Africa, etc. but English displaced it in the 1920s/1930s. An academic wrote: "In a way reminiscent of English in the contemporary world, French was almost omnipresent in the Ottoman lands." The French National Library discussed the French journalism in the region in the period 1800s-1930s here WhisperToMe (talk) 22:59, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  - Huh. Striking my initial nomination statement then. Duckmather (talk) 20:21, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  - Recommendation struck, see below. 11:00, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
Keep as per the reasoning I gave in my above post. WhisperToMe (talk) 03:14, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment I've struck my deletion recommendation. I'm still not convinced enough that the connection is useful enough to support keeping it, but I'm also no longer certain enough it isn't useful to actively argue for deletion. Thryduulf (talk) 11:00, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Dance drama

Dance drama → Wuju (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

There are many types of dance drama, not just wuju. This is misleading. Either delete, retarget, or possibly a DAB? Laterthanyouthink (talk) 03:14, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I see quite a few results for "dance drama" on this site, so I'm inclined to suggest a DAB or something similar. Seems like a reasonable enough search term that I could believe leading to the current target (given it's a direct translation of the name) or a number of other options, so some sort of list would make the most sense. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 04:19, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Only reason I didn't DAB at creation was that we didn't seem to have any articles on the other genres of dance drama. Since WP:DAB requires at least two valid target articles, I went the redirect route. If we do have articles on these other forms of dance drama, a DAB definitely makes more sense. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 13:43, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Laterthanyouthink, QuietHere, what articles should this be disambiguated with? Rusalkii (talk) 19:21, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
For a start, mudra, Saang, Rabinal Achí, and Khamba Thoibi Jagoi all have redirects with pointing toward them which contain "dance drama". That makes at least five options, though that was limited to just pages with "dance drama" in the title so there may be even more past that. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 20:11, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The one I came across that led me to find the redirect was Kakkarissi Natakam, but there are a lot of other forms of performance that use dance drama, especially Indian ones (see Dance in India), like Kuchipudi, Bhagavata Mela, etc., and there are Indonesian and Balinese ones Wayang wong and Gambuh, and others. Dance drama is a very generic term though. I'm wondering if it should target the section Dance#Theatrical, which could be expanded to include the term, mentioning some prominent examples, and also refer to Folk dance, many of which incorporate dance drama. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 02:00, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe leaving as a redirect, but targeting that section to provide an overview? It might be too difficult and onerous to try to list all the possible types of dance drama on a DAB, actually. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 02:02, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Also Kathakali and perhaps Musicals too. The articles mentioned in this discussion don't really make a disambiguation page, but could rather be a List of dance drama forms or something such. Or a WP:BCA. Delete per WP:REDLINK. Jay 💬 06:30, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Monopoly: The Card Game

Monopoly: The Card Game → Monopoly (game) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I originally redirected this to Monopoly (game) because it failed notability guidelines for products and services, and was filled with original research. The target article used to have some substantive coverage of the topic, but I removed it because it was unreliably sourced. Therefore, this redirect serves no navigational purpose and should be deleted. (There is now only a trivial mention on the target page, though, and some disambiguation pages still have it listed.) 1isall (talk) 02:31, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relevant policies, guidelines, and revisions that I forgot to link to:

1isall (talk) 02:53, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to History of Monopoly, where it is mentioned. If sources are discovered in the future, the article can be restored from this version, which will be easier to do than if the edit history is deleted. Pinging User:Cunard to see if more sources can be found at this time. BOZ (talk) 07:16, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for that recommendation, BOZ. However, in the article History of Monopoly, the only mention of Monopoly: The Card Game appears in the section History of Monopoly#Localizations, licenses, and spin-offs as a single, passing reference. It's not substantive and lacks a citation. I believe the redirect would therefore be unsuitable for retargeting there. 1isall (talk) 02:52, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: These are the only sources I can find:
1. "Harvard Business Review article". Harvard Business Review. Vol. 80. 2001. p. 54. Retrieved 2025-05-26 – via Google Books.
  The source notes: "It’s very tough to make a game that can satisfy both those who prefer casual games of luck and those who prefer to use their heads. In 1999, my company developed Monopoly: The Card Game with the aim of providing the emotional high points of the original game but in much less time. Given Monopoly’s wide appeal, we knew we had to design a game that kids could find fun to play but that adults could also approach with sophisticated reasoning and decision making. I think we succeeded, despite having such a tough act to follow."
2. Beaumon-Clay, Tina (2001-02-11). "Monopoly now a card game". Montgomery Advertiser. Archived from the original on 2025-05-26. Retrieved 2025-05-26 – via Newspapers.com.
  The article notes: "I called our friends at Hasbro, maker of Monopoly in (almost) all its incarna-tions, and found that Monopoly The Card Game has been licensed to a company called Winning Moves. It's just as you've described. The object is to be the first player to accumulate $10,000."
Cunard (talk) 21:33, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
OK, thank you for taking a look @Cunard. I don't think that's enough to restore the article at this time, but I do feel the content should be retained in some form (under the redirect, most likely) in case more sources are found in the future. BOZ (talk) 22:42, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think the sources are enough to verify content like the official rules of the game. 1isall (talk) 13:53, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We would probably need a primary source like the instructions to do so. 1isall (talk) 13:55, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
So, what's the result of this discussion? 1isall (talk) 19:56, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think the redirect is valid, and a brief mention of the game can be restored to the article, based on the sources found above. I'll also note that Monopoly Deal, for example, mentioned there, is a card game (and so are few others). So the very generic term used here can be also plausibly used for other games mentioned there. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:58, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Vasaria

Vasaria → The Ghost of Frankenstein (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Visaria → The Ghost of Frankenstein (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No mention of what this is in the stated article it links to. Seems to potentially be a village from this film, but isn't even mentioned in the plot and is relatively unimportant to the work. Andrzejbanas (talk) 18:50, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. This was originally titled "Visaria" (sources indicate both spellings are used but "Vasaria" is the more common), and I've added that redirect to this nomination, and under that name it is briefly mentioned at the target but only in passing. Vasaria is mentioned at Frankenstein Meets the Wolf Man#Plot, but only in passing and indeed it is linked there clearly indicating that isn't a good target. There was previously an article here, the original author (Jrm2007) declined a prod (nominated by Fabrictramp) in 2007, this was followed by Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Visaria which formed a consensus to redirect (ping Scope creep as the only other contributor there still active). Postcard Cathy recreated the article in 2015, Piotrus prodded that in 2020 and then restored the redirect per the AfD outcome when the prod was correctly procedurally declined (by Explicit). "Visari" also gets an unrelated passing mention at Trouble Magnet (although I'm not immediately convinced of that book's notability). All in all, whether the Frankenstein location is notable or not we don't have any useful content about it so deletion is the only viable option. Thryduulf (talk) 11:22, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Visaria is mentioned in the plot summary there, and is perfectly fine as a redirect. If Vasaria is a common variant, it's fine to retain it (although it should be mentioned in the article, maybe as a note on naming of this entity). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 14:02, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Light Quadricycle (L6e European vehicle gategory)

Light Quadricycle (L6e European vehicle gategory) → Quadricycle (EU vehicle classification) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This was created as an article in 2018 but was redirected within three hours. Because of the typo "gategory" this should be deleted; I've moved the redirected article to the correct spelling so the page history only has the move, RFD, and update to fix the double redirect. Peter James (talk) 16:52, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Community government

Community government → List of municipalities in the Northwest Territories#Tlicho community governments (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

The current target doesn't explain what a community government is, and the term likely has a broader scope beyond the context of a specific Canadian territory. It could also refer to one of the community governments of Belgium, for example. Perhaps this could be converted into a dab page or retargeted to a more defining location. 9ninety (talk) 16:11, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or disambig per nom. Government of the Community of Madrid implies this is not an implausible search term for the Spanish community administrations and Local government in Australia#Types of local government includes "community government" in the list of styles used in that country. Thryduulf (talk) 11:30, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Disambiguate to make it easier to find the relevant articles. Peter James (talk) 13:04, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or disamb or turn into own page. Per the above. Thepharoah17 (talk) 17:41, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete!

Delete! → Deletion (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete? → Deletion (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Useless redirect. Cutlass ^Ciera 15:54, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Who would put the ! anyway? DrinksOrCoffee_talk^Contribs 16:42, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This title was redirected to Cyberman but was deleted at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 April 8#Delete!. If it's ambiguous the current target is correct (as it's also the disambiguation page for "Delete", but I can only find one mention of anything called "Delete!" in Wikipedia, in the Steinbrener/Dempf & Huber article. Peter James (talk) 17:04, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete! (although a retarget to the above page wouldn't be totally off the wall either), for the reasons already mentioned, along with Delete?, which also exists. Cutlass, are you amenable to adding this to the nomination? 35.139.154.158 (talk) 21:23, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Per the IP editor's request, I have added Delete? 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ✝ 00:05, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Could be redirected to Thierry Bisch, but not much information there. Peter James (talk) 13:08, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Witch Boy

The Witch Boy → List of Netflix original films (since 2025) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I would like this redirect deleted because there have been no updates on the film since its official announcement in 2021, and it has been removed from the target article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.209.40.250 (talk) 14:20, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe redirect to Klarion the Witch Boy for now? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:26, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Fayçal Amine Abourrass

Fayçal Amine Abourrass → Faisal Amin Abu-Rass (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Was the original title of targeted article but then I moved it two years ago. There’s no reason or use for the French spelling. Thepharoah17 (talk) 11:12, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Per WP:FORRED. Thepharoah17 (talk) 19:42, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Thepharoah17 (talk) 05:39, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

List of Thinking Rabbit games

List of Thinking Rabbit games → Sokoban#Games (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Redirect to a section of a BLARed page without significant notability; current target is unplausible. Go D. Usopp (talk) 11:01, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Stacy Liu

Stacy Liu → List of The Dumping Ground characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Stacy Liu is an actress who has appeared in many British TV series. If she is not notable, so be it, but a redirect to an article about just one of her appearances, which mentions her only in passing, is not helpful. Josh Milburn (talk) 10:12, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, might be better to add her to Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red instead of redirecting to this list. Katiedevi (talk) 15:21, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Not helpful for someone looking for info on this actress. -Elmer Clark (talk) 04:16, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Jordan Bautista

Jordan Bautista → Christian Bautista (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Was prodded, then redirected (twice). The subject is the unnotable brother of the redirect target; or not a viable search source for the notable brother. Howard the Duck (talk) 10:57, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: part of a larger problem of nonsensical redirects from this user https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&target=Cat-paw-v1 FMSky (talk) 10:43, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete not notable Thepharoah17 (talk) 10:48, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Buppie

Buppie → African-American middle class (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Deletion. The target is not a synonym. It may be related, but "Buppie" is not mentioned anywhere, and neither is "yuppie", from which "buppie" is derived. GA-RT-22 (talk) 08:54, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Chris Simpson (musician)

Chris Simpson (musician) → Magna Carta (band) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This redirects to the band of the English musician Chris Simpson. However, Chris Simpson is also the name of a notable American musician, the lead singer of Mineral (band). Google Trends shows that Mineral is more commonly searched than Magna Carta worldwide.^[1] This redirect creates confusion for users seeking information on the American musician. I propose either eliminating this redirect or creating separate redirects for "Chris Simpson (American musician)" and "Chris Simpson (English musician)". Dotdh15 (talk) 07:53, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

At the very least, the target needs a hatnote, which I have added. Also you forgot the tfd template, and I added that too. GA-RT-22 (talk) 13:33, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Google Trends".

DOGE

DOGE → Department of Government Efficiency (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

DOGE currently redirects to Department of Government Efficiency, but I think it should be retargeted to Doge (disambiguation) as "DOGE" could also refer to the meme or the memecoin, both of which are probably more common uses for "DOGE" outside of the US. Cat🐱 (talk) 03:23, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as is. It's the primary topic for the upper cased form by far. PARAKANYAA (talk) 03:30, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per PARAKANYAA, this is very clearly the primary topic. Thryduulf (talk) 11:38, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
keep per PARAKANYAA. Thepharoah17 (talk) 17:38, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Yeah, there are a couple other acronyms at the dab page, but they're fairly obscure, and the hatnote already in place is plenty sufficient. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 14:49, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Trautman Hook

Trautman Hook → Prosthesis (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

The word "Trautman" is mentioned nowhere in the target article, leaving the connection between the redirect and target unclear. Per third party search engines, it seems this is a type of device, but it may not be a type of device directly related to the target and/or has WP:REDLINK potential. Steel1943 (talk) 00:53, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

June 3

Ofo

Ofo → Ofo (company) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I don't think the company is the primary topic over Ofo people, Ofo language, and Ogu na Ofo. This title should instead redirect to the disambiguation page OFO. jlwoodwa (talk) 22:40, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget: I agree that none of these are the primary topic (nor are other articles like the Office of Field Operations. – PharyngealImplosive7 (talk) 22:52, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to OFO. Makes sense. 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ✝ 01:42, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to OFO, and maybe move the OFO page to Ofo as the non-acronym pages seem to be more relevant than the acronym pages (at least per pageviews). I am bad at usernames (talk | contribs) 02:07, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to OFO per reasons provided by others.DrinksOrCoffee_talk^Contribs — Preceding undated comment added 02:22, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Move OFO to Ofo per WP:DABNAME and the existence of Wiktionary:ofo as an English word. Steel1943 (talk) 01:48, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Imam Reza

Imam Reza → Ali al-Rida (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

It's unclear why this redirects to Ali al-Rida. The word "Reza" appears twice in the entire article and it is unclear who it refers to. Dennis C. Abrams (talk) 21:17, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Probably another name of the subject, which is made clearer at Imam Reza shrine. The redirect earlier targeted Ali al-Raza which was the earlier title of the target. Similar redirects exist like:
Jay 💬 11:19, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete If all RfD can do is speculate then I'd rather not. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:44, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Reza or al-Reza are names he is definitely known by; for example, Encyclopedia Iranica uses the Reza spelling instead of Rida. The only possible ambiguity I see is with Imam Reza shrine, but I feel like we should be targeting the person here instead. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 17:33, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:WIKIMONKEY

Wikipedia:WIKIMONKEY → User:Waffles815/sandbox (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Delete, as ~~there~~ a cross-name space redirect that doesn't appear to be helpful to the reader. The user essay was recently created, so does not (yet) have a long-standing history or an indication as to potential usefulness. There also don't seem to be any incoming links to the page other than the link from the sandbox essay. I noticed this redirect as the attempts at creating Wikipedia:The Three WikiMonkeys tripped the edit filters. I'm not sure whether CSD R2 applies here, so I thought that RfD was more appropriate. Referentis (talk) 16:36, 3 June 2025 (UTC); edited 20:34, 3 June 2025 (UTC)^{[Updated comment]}[reply]

Delete only if the target page's title still ends with "/sandbox" by the time this discussion ends. If the target page gets moved elsewhere, I have no opinion. Steel1943 (talk) 20:00, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Referentis: Guessing you are aware of this, but ... we have quite a few shortcut-style redirects from the "Wikipedia:" namespace that target essays that are hosted at "User:" subpages. Steel1943 (talk) 21:20, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Draftspace redirects

Draft:I've played these games before! → Squid Game season 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Draft:Lobotomy Dash → Geometry Dash (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Draft:Superman 'Starman' → Starman (song)#Social Media (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 May 7 § Various draftspace redirects – No consensus

Delete, because the mainspace redirects I've played these games before!, Lobotomy Dash, and Superman 'Starman' were deleted. These redirects might be eligible for deletion under G8, but I'm not really sure, so I nominated them here. Xoontor (talk) 12:13, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note these were all discussed as part of the broader batch nomination at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 May 7#Various draftspace redirects which ended in no consensus just over a week ago. Given that they attracted "keep" !votes there they are not eligible for speedy deletion. Thryduulf (talk) 13:03, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Thryduulf: Thanks for the note. While the redirects were part of a recent discussion, WP:SPEEDY does allow for exceptions. Specifically, it states: As an exception to the norm that a page surviving its most recent deletion discussion means that it should not be speedily deleted, the following criteria apply also to those pages, with or without any specified limitations: [...] § G8. Pages dependent on a non-existent or deleted page. I just wasn't sure if G8 applies here, because the pages the redirects point to are currently not deleted. Xoontor (talk) 13:40, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If a redirect points to a page that exists it is not eligible for G8 speedy deletion. Thryduulf (talk) 14:26, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm thinking it may be time to discuss WP:G8 to include {{R avoided double redirect}}s whose redirect target has been deleted, such as these. WT:CSD may have something soon... but then again, may wait a bit for more precedence such as what may happen here in this discussion. (Also, WP:G8 can be argued to supersede RFD consensus, given G8's purpose, but I'm not going to push that stance any further than mentioning it.) Steel1943 (talk) 17:04, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
My main thinking is that not every avoided double redirect should be deleted just because their parent (is there a better word for that?) has. In cases where the only difference is the presence of a diacritic, yes (e.g. if Foo was deleted then Fóo should almost always be deleted too), the reverse probably more often than not but it could be that while Fóo is a bad redirect Fòo isn't and so Foo should be marked as an avoided double redirect of the latter rather than deleted. In cases where the difference is a rephrasing then it's going to be highly context-dependent whether both should be deleted for the same reason. I've actually just had an idea related to this, but it's broader than this one discussion so see WT:RFD shortly. Thryduulf (talk) 20:28, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all per nom. Agreed, since these are no longer valid {{R avoided double redirect}}s, these are theoretical WP:G8 candidates. Steel1943 (talk) 13:07, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all, and would support G8 covering redirects of this type. -- Tavix ^(talk) 03:24, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Tooth (paste)

Tooth (paste) → Toothpaste (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Toothpasee → Toothpaste (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not useful as a misspelling redirect, first is also misleading. (please ping on reply) ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 07:23, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(hidden ping) Delete both. You're right about the first one, and the second is not that likely of a typo; T and E are separated by R on a standard keyboard. 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ✝ 07:43, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Agree, it should have been Toothpasre or Toothpasye. Delete.DrinksOrCoffee_talk^Contribs 09:30, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete both. The first implies a paste made of teeth, and the second is an implausible misspelling. Mdewman6 (talk) 07:02, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete both, per nom. Golem08 (talk) 17:50, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Mr./Mr Trump

Mr. Trump → Donald Trump (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Mr Trump → Trump (surname) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

One redirects to Donald Trump, the other redirects to Trump (surname). They should both link to the same page (probably Donald Trump, as most people will be searching for his article). 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ✝ 05:58, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment FWIW, Trump currently redirects to Donald Trump.—Bagumba (talk) 14:09, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, in concurrence with the consensus-backed primary topic. Barnt Toust 18:01, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@BarntToust can you clarify please - the nomination seeks to retarget one or both of the two redirects so that they point to the same target, deletion has not been proposed. Thryduulf (talk) 20:46, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ahem, sorry. In support of both terms linking to Donald Trump because "Trump" is the primary topic by consensus's findings, and these redirects are spin-offs of this term. Barnt Toust 21:20, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2001 Nepal Murders

2001 Nepal Murders → Nepalese royal massacre (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Royal massacre of 2001 → Nepalese royal massacre (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2001 Nepalese massacre → Nepalese royal massacre (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2001 Royal Family massacre → Nepalese royal massacre (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2001royal family massacre → Nepalese royal massacre (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I don't think this redirect is accurate even if it is the main murder in Nepal in 2001. The same user also created about 7 other redirects, some of which I will also nominated for deletion. Moritoriko (talk) 04:59, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Can I bundle these all together somehow? Moritoriko (talk) 05:10, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but AFAIK you have to do it manually and can't use twinkle. You have to use the multi=yes template shown at Wikipedia:RFD#How_to_list_a_redirect_for_discussion. I am bad at usernames (talk | contribs) 15:46, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Moritoriko: To bundle them all together, you can also use the User:Qwerfjkl/scripts/massXFD script, if you install it to your common.js. 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ✝ 01:49, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This comment is specifically for 2001royal family massacre:

Page name isn't even properly formatted in addition to previous page issues Moritoriko (talk) 05:11, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

- Steel1943 (talk) 20:10, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I have merged these discussions together, but had to do a minor bit of comment refactoring to allow it to make sense (which goes against WP:TPO, so having to do a bit of WP:IAR to make this work). @Moritoriko and I am bad at usernames: Feel free to yell at me for whatever issues my refactoring caused (though I'm hoping there are no issues). Steel1943 (talk) 20:10, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Bless you for this, I will only yell nice things at you. <3 Moritoriko (talk) 23:15, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete the incorrectly spaced redirect, that's not useful. Thryduulf (talk) 21:06, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Royal massacre of 2001, 2001 Nepalese massacre, and 2001 Royal Family massacre - there were no other notable massacres in Nepal or of royals anywhere in the world in that year. Thryduulf (talk) 21:06, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  Okay, maybe keep 2001 Nepalese massacre but the others not mentioning nepal I still think delete. Moritoriko (talk) 23:19, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak keep 2001 Nepal Murders as primary topic, but add a hatnote. I'd normally suggest a hatnote to a list article, but as Category:2001 murders in Nepal includes only one article unrelated to the massacre of the royal family (Manbahadur Tamang) no such list exists so the hatnote should point either to the category or to the sole unrelated article. Thryduulf (talk) 21:06, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep all except the incorrectly spaced one. They seem reasonably direct. PARAKANYAA (talk) 03:22, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete 2001royal family massacre, 2001 Nepal Murders. Keep rest. —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 21:14, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

June 2

Trinidad and Tobago–Turkey relations

Trinidad and Tobago–Turkey relations → List of diplomatic missions of Turkey#Americas (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This was a declined prod turned into a redirect. I don't think this is an appropriate redirect target. A better one would be Foreign relations of Trinidad and Tobago. LibStar (talk) 23:08, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget I agree that's a better target (refining to the Bilateral relations section or the specific entry in that table would be better). Foreign relations of Turkey#Caribbean has essentially identical content and is the shorter section so if we aren't linking to a specific table row that would be my first preference but don't let that stand in the way of a consensus for the nom's proposal. Thryduulf (talk) 11:52, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
'Comment if the consensus here is for anything other than restoring the article then the hatnotes pointing here at both foreign relations articles should be removed. Thryduulf (talk) 11:52, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Restore and send to AfD as a contested PROD. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 13:42, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose restoration at this point as an unnecessary escalation. The deprodder redirected it, demonstrating that they would agree that there shouldn't be an article at this title. Furthermore, no one else has brought forth any claims of notability. That said, I've invited the deprodder to join this discussion in case they wish to clarify their position. -- Tavix ^(talk) 04:17, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Per WP:DEPROD, After the proposed deletion is canceled, if you still believe that the page should be deleted, or that a discussion is necessary, it may be listed on Articles for deletion or files for discussion. Redirecting and sending to RfD is out of process IMO. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 22:32, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This isn't a deletion discussion but a retargeting discussion. At this point, nobody is advocating for deletion of this page and nobody is advocating for restoration on the merits of the article (given that yours is purely procedural). As such, restoring and sending it to AfD is very much premature. -- Tavix ^(talk) 16:22, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Foreign relations of Trinidad and Tobago and anchor it to the relevant entry in the table. I tried but failed to find guidance, but I believe the rule of thumb is to target the foreign relations article of the first country alphabetically given that both articles should ideally contain the same information. -- Tavix ^(talk) 16:40, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Government House utilitarianism

Government House utilitarianism → Two-level utilitarianism (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Nonsense redirect target; prior redirect makes some sense albeit the term is ambiguous (see [13]) but the content added by @Jarry1250: to the section redirected to has been removed. Something needs to be done; if there are no objections simply deletion (for now). Prototyperspective (talk) 22:46, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sungkai language

Sungkai language → Lampung language (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Sungkai language (Indonesia) → Lampung language (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Sungkai (Indonesia) → Lampung language (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

The word "Sungkai" is nowhere in the target article, leaving the connection between the redirects and the target article unclear. Steel1943 (talk) 19:28, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

we need rd's for names from rs's. if you think the name is still notable, you can of course add it to the article. — kwami (talk) 20:49, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: There are no results of a "sungkai language" found in Indonesia on the web or on Google scholar (one in Malaysia is mentioned a couple times but is obviously unrelated to the Lampung language). – PharyngealImplosive7 (talk) 22:59, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Lorde (Ella Yelich-O'Connor)

Lorde (Ella Yelich-O'Connor) → Lorde (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Extremely unlikely that anyone would search her very well-known name followed by her real name in parentheses Sock (~~tock~~ talk) 16:12, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Appears to be a frequent way to refer to her, particularly in New Zealand. See [14], [15], and [16]. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 18:44, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as correct, unambiguous and harmless. Presidentman's findings are icing on the cake. Thryduulf (talk) 11:53, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Unnecessary. If you search "Lorde" or "Ella Yelich..." you will find her through the other existing redirects. Literally no one would ever search "Lord PARENTHESIS Ella...." -- Ssilvers (talk) 13:38, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

MacKenzie Carpenter

MacKenzie Carpenter → 2025 in country music#Upcoming (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Perhaps it ought to - haven't looked into that yet - but this individual does not appear in the linked article. It seems several entries I'd expect to be in that list are omitted, so perhaps there are criteria this one doesn't meet. She has a song which features someone notable, Midland, titled "I Wish You Would", but this has no reason to redirect to this list as it stands. For all I know this individual is notable and should have an article, and nobody has bothered, but I am not experienced in writing country music biographies. mftp dan ^oops 15:29, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget - Retarget to Valory Music Group. --Jax 0677 (talk) 01:24, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As nominator, if that's the label Carpenter is signed to and she's at least mentioned as a member of their roster, I would consider that appropriate if nobody else objects. mftp dan ^oops 13:30, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Leybach

Leybach → Ignace Leybach (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Ambiguous term, no evidence that the current target is primary topic. It is after all the historic name for the Ljubljanica river. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:02, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I was initially inclined to agree and recommend disambiguation, since the bar for a surname redirecting to an individual should be high, and the composer is not especially well known. However, there are only two topics involved, and looking beyond the two articles themselves, every current use refers to the composer. Thus, I recommend keeping and adding {{redirect|Leybach|the river|Ljubljanica}} as a hatnote on the composer's article. --BDD (talk) 15:12, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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disambiguate per nom -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 07:42, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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KWFT (AM)

KWFT (AM) → KXNW (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
KWFT-AM → KXNW (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

These redirects appears to be a leftover from the very early days of what is now the KXNW article, which actually started out in 2005 as an article on the old KWFT radio in Texas and was quickly converted to an article on the then-current KWFT TV station in Arkansas (which is what became KXNW) by the redirect creator; a year later, the radio information was removed from the article. (This might probably now be considered a form of article hijacking, but it was 20 years ago and the "wild west" days of Wikipedia.) The radio-related content that was ever pertinent to this redirect was about what is now KTNO (AM) (which was KWFT for decades), but what is now KFCD is another station that had the KWFT call sign for a few years, so this isn't as cut-and-dry as it could have been. Retargeting to KWFT (disambiguation) as an {{R from incomplete disambiguation}} might not be off the table either. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 00:37, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure what current policy is for linking to disambiguation pages, but since this call sign had been used by multiple stations, it may make the most sense to point them at KWFT (disambiguation). However, since nothing links to these redirects and they were basically only intended for search use or possibly inclusion in a regional template of old stations, I'm fine with them being deleted. —Mulad (talk) 13:38, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to KWFT (disambiguation). They're plausible search terms that could refer to multiple topics all of which are listed at a differently-titled page, this is exactly the usecase for redirects to disambiguation pages. Thryduulf (talk) 11:58, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:LOCKED

Wikipedia:LOCKED → Wikipedia:Edit lock (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Because of the discussion with WP:LOCK at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 July 21 § Wikipedia:LOCK (result was disambiguate), this redirect should be retargeted to the now disambiguation page WP:LOCK. Justjourney (talk | contribs) 00:06, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

June 1

Mir Yar Baloch

Mir Yar Baloch → Insurgency in Balochistan (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Even though this person is mentioned in an infobox at the target, he isn't mentioned anywhere in the article text itself, nor is he mentioned in any other article. If I hadn't turned this article into a redirect, I'm sure that it would've been deleted following its own corresponding AfD discussion alongside Republic of Balochistan and Balochistan Freedom Declaration. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 00:02, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging @Republic of Krusia, @Protobowladdict, @Old Man Consequences, @Arijit Kisku, @Durranistan, @Trim02 and @Johnj1995 as users who have edited this page to get a fuller discussion. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 13:47, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

CVS Pharmacy, Inc. v. Doe

CVS Pharmacy, Inc. v. Doe → Disparate impact (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This was a redirect to Disparate impact, the subject the case in question was supposed to be about. However that target has absolutely nothing about the case - nor should it, as the case didn't happen. I therefore restored the original article and prodded it, but the article creator re-redirected it without making any comment or any addition to the target regarding it. Therefore this is a redirect that is purposeless and should be deleted. My PROD text: Case that was not heard/was withdrawn before hearing. Was previously redirected to a topic related to the case, but was not covered there at all. Likely should not exist altogether, therefore.. Prod2 by Bearian: Settled out of court, this has no precedential value. It would likely confuse a lay person. The Bushranger _{One ping only} 23:38, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support. We don't have lingering redirects for cases that may have gone to SCOTUS. lethargilistic (talk) 18:17, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Restore and send to AfD as a contested PROD. Thryduulf (talk) 12:00, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. This is a bit backwards as to how a PROD normally works because the prodder restored the article specifically to prod it. It was reverted back to the status quo, which in this case is a redirect, not an article. The author and only significant contributor of the article was the one who both originally redirected it back in 2021 and just now, so it's clear that no one at this point is in favor of the original article still existing in that form. -- Tavix ^(talk) 03:15, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2030 NFL season

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedy delete

Miércoles

Miércoles → Wednesday (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Viernes → Friday#"Friday" in other languages (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Sábado → Saturday (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Sabado → Saturday (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

All names of weekdays in Spanish, fails WP:FORRED. I am bad at usernames (talk | contribs) 21:33, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Such redirects exist for other languages too (I checked a few for German and French), and variously point to the corresponding day of the week article (or a section of which discussing other languages), but there's also potential discussion at various sections of Names of the days of the week. There's also some inconsistency. For example, Dimanche is a newspaper with a hatnote to WP:ONEOTHER thing, and no dab page including the weekday. I'm inclined to say that these sorts of redirects should be kept since we do have specific discussion of them, but there's probably some room to make everything more consistent here, with targets, and possibly better disambiguation. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:38, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
'Retarget Sabado (with or without accent) to Names of days of the week. The other redirects are at least mentioned in their targets, so could either be kept or repointed there. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 03:46, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget all to Names of days of the week#Romance languages, where they are specifically mentioned. I agree with I am bad at usernames that the current targets fail WP:FORRED. Duckmather (talk) 01:15, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Once and Future President

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Speedy delete per WP:CSD#G7

Shish

Shish → SHISH (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

The lowercase makes the target surprising. Since there isn't much information on shish at skewer (the article is too broad), I think that retargeting to shish kebab (page view comparison) would provide the most information and be the most intuitive for readers. Alternatives include swapping with Shish (disambiguation). Sdrqaz (talk) 00:24, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Move Shish (disambiguation) to Shish. Steel1943 (talk) 23:56, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Move Shish (disambiguation) to Shish - Wikinav isn't working for me but this would seem to be the best option, also because the capitalization is different. --Schützenpanzer (Talk) 17:40, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Move Shish (disambiguation) without redirect to Shish Given nom's rationale about the name (not retargeting), this seems like the best. Worgisbor (congregate) 19:37, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Marksizm-leninizm

Marksizm-leninizm → Marxism–Leninism (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Implausible redirect. It is unlikely that someone will search for Marxism-Leninism using a romanization of Russian. Fancy Refrigerator ^(talk) 11:34, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I don't think it's that implausible, Marxism-Leninism is originally Russian so it makes sense as an alternate language spelling, and there are plenty of people who use enwiki who aren't native English speakers. No pageviews in the past 90 days other than today, but that's because the redirect was made today Psychastes (talk) 14:30, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

марксизм-ленинизм already redirects to Marxism-Leninism. I don't think we should set a precedent for romanizations of non-Latin script languages when their users are much more likely to use their native script. Fancy Refrigerator ^(talk) 10:39, 4 June 2025 (UTC) edited 10:51, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep I don't necessarily know if this is a common search term, but it is in the lead paragraph in the article, so I don't see much harm in keeping it. Casablanca 🪨^(T) 14:45, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Coast Guard News

Coast Guard News → United States Coast Guard (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Misleading / false-information redirect. This defunct publication has no connection the US Coast Guard other than as the main topic of its former coverage. It was a publication of Bright Mountain Media, whose big disclaimer read: "Neither the United States Coast Guard nor the Department of Homeland Security has officially approved, endorsed, or authorized this website." [17]. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 10:30, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment "United States Coast Guard News"[18] is, per the banner at the top of the page, an official website of the US Government and United States Coast Guard News does redirect to United States Coast Guard, and it's not an implausible search term for that. Other than the official news page of the US Coast Guard Academy [19] almost all my search results are for (collections of) news stories about or featuring the USCG (the Daily Mirror features prominently in my results for some reason). Hits on Wikipedia are almost exclusively in citations though, so I'm unsure how useful a search term this is. Thryduulf (talk) 10:52, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Aldous Harding songs

Two Bitten Hands → Aldous Harding (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Small Bones of Courage → Aldous Harding (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Song by Aldous Harding not mentioned in target or anywhere else onwiki. Rusalkii (talk) 04:32, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Stop Your Tears

Stop Your Tears → Aldous Harding (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Song not mentioned in the artist's page. We mention it briefly at Martin Sagadin, who is the director of the music video, though it feels a little silly to point at that article. Rusalkii (talk) 04:32, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Shovelmouth

Shovelmouth → Amebelodontidae (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I think this was first used as a name for Platybelodon, which is a species in the Ice Age movies (their wiki), which is a genus in Amebelodontidae. We mention the Ice Age character Shovelmouth Boy at Jansen Panettiere We also have the fish Astatotilapia sp. 'shovelmouth' and a passing mention at Quintaglio Ascension Trilogy, where it seems to be a name for a fictional hadrosaur variant. Not sure if this should be deleted, retargeted, or disambiguated, though I think my inclination would be to target the fish. Rusalkii (talk) 02:33, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Morbussy

Morbussy → -ussy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This or Morbius are not mentioned at the target. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 00:44, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. No incoming links in the article space. In the unlikely event of anybody ever stumbling over this redirect they are not going to find whatever they are looking for in the redirected article. Rather than redirect people in an unhelpful and confusing way, it is better to just admit that we don't have anything for them on this alleged subject. --DanielRigal (talk) 01:04, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Jam doughnuts

Draft:Jam doughnuts → Jelly doughnut (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I attempted nominating this for speedy deletion but it was declined. I do not feel it is necessary to have a redirect from the draft namespace, especially since the non-draft namespace version of this redirect exists and also redirects the same way. It is incredibly improbable someone would ever keyword the draft namespace to find information on a topic—the casual reader doesn’t even realize Wikipedia is more than article space. The draft was also originally created by a troll who was blocked indefinitely, before another user changed it into a redirect. Thebirdlover (talk) 16:26, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ugh. Just delete this per WP:NOTBURO, WP:G6, or what have you. It was a duplicate created by a not-here user, and a redirect at the same title already exists in main space. And for some bizarre reason, you can't even let draft space redirects get cleaned up in six months by G13. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 16:50, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Believe me, if I was an administrator I would, don't act like everyone on Wikipedia has those powers. Draft space redirects shouldn't exist in my opinion--why delay something that can be done now? --Thebirdlover (talk) 17:27, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I was just addressing Wikipedia at large, not you specifically. I wasn't expecting you to do any of this, but rather the result of this discussion, which shouldn't really be necessary, but sometimes the bureaucracy wins out. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 20:39, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as completely harmless. This discussion has caused far more disruption and wasted far more editor time than anything else to do with this redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 11:19, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In what way does keeping it prevent further disruption and wasted time versus deleting it? 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:32, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Misleading, in the implication that there was a real draft at this title that editors could draw from. --BDD (talk) 20:05, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Move without redirect to Jam doughnuts. I assume this editor was trying to create a redirect at this title but couldn't due to not being autoconfirmed. -- Tavix ^(talk) 20:30, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as per Thryduulf and move as per Tavix. Some pretty awesome usernames, btw. Hyperbolick (talk) 03:31, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Do you support moving with or without a redirect? Cremastra (u — c) 22:51, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Move WITH redirect to Jam doughnuts. The leftover redirect will then be a {{R avoided double redirect}}, akin to getting a draft redirect "published". Steel1943 (talk) 19:54, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note: Xoontor created the redirect Jam doughnuts after I stated my vote. Steel1943 (talk) 23:08, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep and tag with Template:R avoided double redirect per Steel1943, except now a redirect has been created so there is no longer a need to move. Draft to Main XNRs are usually harmless, and in this case even slightly helpful since if someone else goes to create a draft at that title they will instead be redirected to the page where they should be contributing. 204.111.137.20 (talk) 03:40, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. ~~WP:ITSHARMLESS is not a valid argument.~~ There is no purpose in a redirect from draftspace to articlespace; valid cross-namespace redirects are extremely rare and this is not one of them. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 03:53, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There are probably considerably more than 100k draft to mains XNRs at this point, they are by no means rare. It is also worth pointing out for whatever its worth that WP:ITSHARMLESS says the exact opposite of what you say it does "Whether something is harmful or harmless are also valid arguments for and against deletion of redirects at Redirects for discussion. This normally centres around harm (or lack of) to the encyclopedia, e.g. from a redirect being misleading or in the way of other content. See Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion#When should a redirect be deleted?." I strongly suggest reading essays before linking to them in the future. 204.111.137.20 (talk) 03:59, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Mea culpa on the link. But the fact that they are by no means rare is - while true, note that I said valid cross-namespace redirects are extremely rare. Redirects from draftspace to articlespace are, IMHO, not valid cross-namespace redirects. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 04:52, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Than you probably should have made it clear that it was only in your personal opinion, because sitewide consensus decided on by RfCs as to the validity of most of them is is to the contrary on that. You may of course disagree with that consensus, but the standard procedure in those cases is to seek to overturn that through RfCs rather than going to a bunch of XfDs to complain about some class or another of pages that the community has decided is valid but you believe should be deleted as a group. Though I'll admit that going after an entire class of pages would make for one hell of a batch nom. 204.111.137.20 (talk) 15:50, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Kinda difficult to move this redirect to Jam doughnuts now that someone created it. (Pinging Tavix and Hyperbolick [cannot ping the other editor since they are an anon] since this affects their votes [as well as mine].) Steel1943 (talk) 23:11, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No, it's not difficult at all (for admins). If an admin tries to move a page to one that already exists, it'll ask if you want to delete the existing page. Say yes, and the move goes through. -- Tavix ^(talk) 00:30, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

...I meant the most-likely unintentional WP:POINTy page title blockage, but yeah. Steel1943 (talk) 03:31, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

To clarify, it matters insofar as I would prefer for the editor who first tried creating the redirect to be the one to have the "credit" for it. -- Tavix ^(talk) 03:29, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Don’t think it much matters. Hyperbolick (talk) 20:35, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I'm not sure there's a need to move the redirect. If this discussion results in the redirect being kept, it can simply be tagged as an avoided double redirect of Jam doughnuts. I often create redirects from plurals when they don't exist, and this one didn't exist – so I just created it. Xoontor (talk) 04:40, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and tag per the IP 204. Thryduulf (talk) 12:03, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I don't see the initial contribution as a troll anyway but a honest effort to make an article on a topic that already existed User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 12:15, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

May 31

Sonic the Head chog

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedy delete

Song it the Head Chog

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedy delete

Umm, meow?

Umm, meow? → Sonic the Hedgehog (film) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Nonsense redirect based on an old meme that has fallen into disuse, but it's not even the correct wording for the meme. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 23:12, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. A misquote of a minor meme isn't really a plausible search term for the film itself. Sergecross73 msg me 00:27, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Popcornfud (talk) 01:55, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Song it

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedy delete

Wikipedia:RSP/VALNET

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

2019 Coahuila Challenger 604 Crash

2019 Coahuila Challenger 604 Crash → 2019 Coahuila Bombardier Challenger crash (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2019 Coahuila Bombardier Challenger 604 crash → 2019 Coahuila Bombardier Challenger crash (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

The crash actually involved a Bombardier Challenger 601, so these redirects are inaccurate. Delete. Mr slav999 (talk) 19:41, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep 2019 Coahuila Challenger 604 Crash, article was at this location for two years and it could break incoming links. Casablanca 🪨^(T) 01:51, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Antisocial Personality and Co.

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Chargers

Chargers → Los Angeles Chargers (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Of all sports teams with redirects that may refer to something else, I would question this one the most. The top of the Los Angeles Chargers article says "Chargers redirect here. For other uses see Charger (disambiguation) not Chargers (disambiguation)" and Charger (disambiguation) is a redirect to Chargers. Chargers could also refer to the Deccan Chargers, the Gold Coast Chargers, and outside of sports; Battery Chargers. I would suggest changing target to Charger. Note that 49ers currently redirects to 49er and they are a way more notable team. I might still consider discussing the redirect (Even if this one is kept) just to see whether people think change should happen considering the discussion was 10 years ago). Servite et contribuere (talk) 16:11, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Charger per nom. 162 etc. (talk) 16:47, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to "Charger" as highly ambiguous -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 07:03, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The click data doesn't really show lots of readers (being confused) going from Los Angeles Chargers to Charger.[20]—Bagumba (talk) 07:33, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have taken out the "Chargers" entries from the Charger disambig, and created a dab draft at the redirect. If this becomes a disambig page, then those entries need to be deleted from the Charger dab, and replaced with a "See also" to the Chargers dab.
Apart from those entries, there are these other teams that are either have "Chargers" as the nickname in the Infobox, or are referred to in their articles as just "the Chargers", and may be added to the draft:
- San Diego Chargers (former name of the current target)
- Oran Park Chargers
- Oxford Chargers
- Carolina Chargers
- Oakleigh Chargers
- Hobart Chargers
- Mississauga Chargers
- Eugene Chargers
- Joliet Chargers
- Hillsdale Chargers
- New Haven Chargers

Others that are not referred to as Chargers, so may not be added to the draft are: Kenosha Chargers, Big Chill Super Chargers, Akari Chargers, Shell Turbo Chargers, and Union Garnet Chargers. Jay 💬 11:11, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Retarget to Charger or use the draft dab at Chargers?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Rusalkii (talk) 17:18, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to charger; I don't see the need for a separate dab and going to one specific sports team is presumptuous. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 03:48, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:C book and others

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Warluigi

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

Republic of Balochistan

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Men Gone Their Own Way

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

Chinese invasion of Taiwan

Chinese invasion of Taiwan → Chinese unification#Official stance of the People's Republic of China (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Notable topic on its own; the term is not mentioned in the target article. PS. Found a better redirect target: Cross-strait_relations#Possibility_of_a_Chinese_invasion. _{Piotrus at Hanyang| reply here} 06:31, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Change Target to Cross-strait_relations#Possibility_of_a_Chinese_invasion Per nominator Servite et contribuere (talk) 07:04, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete This is purely speculative and amounts to WP:CRYSTAL China has not invaded Taiwan. A redirect to a very speculative sounding sub-section of a different article is compounding the issue, not making it better. Simonm223 (talk) 11:19, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I would actually disagree. It has been widely reported by the media of a possibility. This is not a case of an editor publishing their own speculations. Thank you Servite et contribuere (talk) 15:39, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, it's like suggesting we don't need World War IV (and World War III :P) _{Piotrus at Hanyang| reply here} 15:41, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hanyangprofessor2 Good point, but a Chinese invasion of Taiwan only needs one state to invade one state. WW3 would need the almost whole world involved. WW4 would have to wait for WW3 to end and possibly even at least 20 years after that war to end. Servite et contribuere (talk) 15:53, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Servite et contribuere No comparison is ideal, true. See some related discussion here. _{Piotrus at Hanyang| reply here} 07:09, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think a more cogent comparison would be United States Invasion of China which is an hypothetical future event that *might* happen. Certainly plenty of American war-hawks want it. But, because WP:CRYSTAL is policy, it's a red-link. Simonm223 (talk) 21:39, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's a red link because there are no good sources for it. Unlike in this case. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:34, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment China has invaded Taiwan before... Transition from Ming to Qing ... the Ming invaded in the 1660s and the Qing invaded in the 1680s -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 07:06, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget per above, a very plausible search term. Thryduulf (talk) 13:20, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Simonm223. Paprikaiser (talk) 21:25, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment (nom). My current preference is for a retarget. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:36, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget per nom. --BDD (talk) 15:36, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Rusalkii (talk) 06:21, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: there is an ongoing page-split discussion that might result in an article at the title Chinese invasion of Taiwan. — Jruderman (talk) 23:27, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget per nomination, and rename the target section Possibility of a Chinese invasion to Potential Chinese invasion. I decided on this because a lot of people are discussing the idea. The revised section title acknowledges the uncertainty of whether the PRC will go ahead with the invasion (which will likely depend on many factors, including brinkmanship, international response, Ukraine, etc.). --Minoa (talk) 17:07, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Horse shampoo

Horse shampoo → Shampoo#Animal (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Delete, horses are not mentioned in the target article. -1ctinus📝🗨 14:30, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, Horse shampoo is a thing. Someone might search this, it's not mentioned right now but someone could easily expand this section to include mention of horse shampoo. -Samoht27 (talk) 17:02, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Horse grooming. The #Bathing section mentions shampoo, dedicated horse shampoo once specifically. --BDD (talk) 15:31, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Rusalkii (talk) 06:17, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Horse grooming#Bathing per BDD. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 13:34, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

May 30

Cade Clair

Cade Clair → Hyperpop (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Redirect from an artist to a genre. Not mentioned in the target. We have mentions at Look Don't Touch, Shake That Shit!, XIII Sorrows, and a few others, but none seems obviously the main topic to redirect to. Rusalkii (talk) 22:46, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

KenTacoHut

KenTacoHut → Yum! Brands (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Ken Taco Hut → Yum! Brands (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Ken Taco Huts → Yum! Brands (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
KenTaco Huts → Yum! Brands (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
KenTacoHuts → Yum! Brands (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned in target. Appears to be a restaurant featuring three of Yum's franchises in one. I think it's a meme? Does not appear to be notable enough to add to the Yum article. Rusalkii (talk) 21:50, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment These seem to be a thing, or was a thing. Googling "ken taco hut" turns up quite a bit of results. Since this is/was a Yum! triple-franchise outlet, the origin of wanting to make these redirects seems clear. I'm not sure it has to be mentioned in the article, but it seems to be clearly a subtopic, if a very minor one. The main question for me is whether this is a worthwhile search term. Pageviews on these appear to be sparse. Stefen 𝕋ower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 00:05, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Valea Pietrei Mici

Valea Pietrei Mici → Timiș (Olt) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

A Valea Pietrei Mari is mentioned in the target, but this seems too far away to be a plausible typo and not helpful if this is some kind of different tributary. Rusalkii (talk) 21:17, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – see the edit histories of Valea Pietrei Mici River and Valea Pietrei Mari River; they were separate articles until 2019. Specifically, Valea Pietrei Mici is a tributary of "Timișul Sec de Jos", which is a right tributary of Timiș, like Valea Pietrei Mari. I don't see how it's "not helpful". x RozuRozu • ^tea _cups 21:54, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's not helpful because I, or any other readers, can't actually figure that out from the article. As far as anyone clicking on this redirect is concerned, the information they have received is "this is probably related to this river in some way", but they are left guessing if it's a tributary, and alternative name (for which entity?), or something entirely different. If the information you just mentioned can be incorporated in the article then I'd be perfectly happy with this redirect. Rusalkii (talk) 22:33, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your response. I've added "(including Valea Pietrei Mici)" to tributary Timișul Sec de Jos. Please feel free to tweak the wording if it's suboptimal. I will also change the tributaries' redirects to point to the "Tributaries" section of the article, if that helps. Additionally, I've started to search for more specific reliable sources regarding the tributaries of Timiș, and hope to improve the section. x RozuRozu • ^tea _cups 18:41, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

On second thought, I suppose the right thing to do here is to establish consensus first, since it's "Redirects for discussion" after all. I will strike my previous comment and make a new one. I apologize if I'm not doing this correctly. x RozuRozu • ^tea _cups 18:45, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Timiș (Olt)#Tributaries – I've added "(including Valea Pietrei Mici)" to tributary Timișul Sec de Jos, and suggest specifying the redirect to the "Tributaries" section in order to clear any confusion about Valea Pietrei Mici's relation to Timiș. x RozuRozu • ^tea _cups 18:49, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Stinko

Stinko → Lake Washington (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Stinko (slang) → Alcohol intoxication (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Stinko was originally created as a redirect to Alcohol intoxication with the edit summary slang term referring to alcohol intoxication/drunkenness. It was subsequently retargeted to Lake Washington with the rationale that it's mentioned there. However, the mention is noting that the October 5, 1963 issue of the Post Intelligencer referred to the lake as "Lake Stinko", which seems awfully trivial. Stinko (slang) still redirects to Alcohol intoxication, but the term isn't mentioned there currently. Should it? -- Tavix ^(talk) 21:17, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

In my google results the closest thing to a primary topic is mentions (in the use–mention distinction sense) of the slang term, which would suggest a soft redirect to wikt:stinko. However "closest thing to a primary topic" is not the same as "the primary topic" as there are uses of the slag term, the names of multiple characters and various other things that don't come close to being primary (or even notable in at least most cases, although characters by this name are mentioned at G.I. Carmen, Lloyd in Space and True and the Rainbow Kingdom). One topic that was not present in my search results was Lake Washington so that target is definitely wrong. In Wikipedia search results, the meaning Wiktionary gives as secondary ("of poor quality", defined elsewhere as the stronger "awful" and "abysmal") seems to be more common so alcohol intoxication as a target (even if it were mentioned) isn't the greatest either. On balance I think soft redirect to Wiktionary is probably best, but this preference is weak. Thryduulf (talk) 01:57, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete in favour of search results which links to wikt in the sidebar. No objection to soft redirect to wikt either though. ⇌ Synpath 12:38, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wannafucks

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

30/500

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Whimpering Wastes

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Dictyoglomus

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: swapped

First fire

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 June 7#First fire

Bartholemew Kuma

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Wikipedia:6P

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Vlad p

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedy delete

Hana Adamcová

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

May 28

How big is wikipedia

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Delete * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 03:12, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oronzo Bacci

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

V-Cube 10

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Delete * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 03:12, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

K.u:K. Armee

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 June 5#K.u:K. Armee

Anti-Israel protests on university campuses in the United States

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 June 5#Anti-Israel protests on university campuses in the United States

Welcome to Wikipedia

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 June 6#Welcome to Wikipedia

The Wikipedia page

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Stacy Liu

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 June 4#Stacy Liu

Thousand Faces

Thousand Faces → Don Diablo discography (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Retarget. The book titled The Hero with a Thousand Faces seems more likely to be searched than the song. I found this redirect by trying to find the book and only remembering the "thousand faces" part. Number of edits, watchers, and page views seems to support the book as being the more relevant redirect. There is another redirect Thousand Faces (song) to take care of the song. closhund /talk/ 06:50, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also, when I edited the redirect page, it said there was an error. I don't know what the error is, I just tried to follow the instructions at WP:RFDHOWTO closhund /talk/ 07:00, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 09:19, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support the retargeting to the Joseph Campbell book. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:04, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to book per nom, but add a hatnote to the discography page as well. Disambiguate per BD2412. मल्ल (talk) 13:44, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. A retarget would be highly inappropriate, since it's not the name of the book. And it's not like we're just talking about a missing "the" or something, it's a majority of the title that's been chopped off. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 14:19, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Disambiguate. Full Circle (Creed album) has a song titled "A Thousand Faces", which for a song is a close enough title, and one not unlikely to be referred to without the indefinite article. BD2412 T 19:04, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Also A Thousand Faces (play), though I'm dubious about its notability as an article. BD2412 T 19:05, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  I have created an AfD for that one. --Plantman (talk) 19:31, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Disambiguate, second choice Keep. I don't think a retarget is justifiable at all: The Hero with a Thousand Faces may be more popular, but "Thousand Faces" is a specific Don Diablo song name, whereas it's basically just a possible search term for the book. If it weren't for the Creed song, which does seem like an equally valid target, I would prefer Keep. -Elmer Clark (talk) 04:31, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Disambiguation draft requested Rusalkii (talk) 20:23, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Filmi music

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 June 5#Filmi music

All India Council for Technical Education (India)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: no consensus

"Body", "Cosmetic", "Personal care" treatment

Body treatment → Spa#Spa treatments (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Cosmetic treatment → Spa#Spa treatments (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Personal care treatment → Spa#Spa treatments (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Each of these redirects are not mentioned in the target article, as well as their target section not existing. In addition, there's no clear connection between the redirect and the target without the word "spa" in the redirects, meaning these "treatments" may involve a subject not directly related to spa, such as massage. Steel1943 (talk) 07:58, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note, Body treatment is a {{R with history}}, and the other nominated redirects targeted Body treatment when it was an article between February 2006 and October 2009. (For what it's worth, I oppose Personal care treatment targeting Body treatment for any reason ... in case the discussion takes such a path.) Steel1943 (talk) 08:05, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Delete All three of these terms did appear in the article until a rewrite in October by User:Micahtchi that (among other changes) removed about 20% of the content. One of the changes was to remove the entire "Treatments" section, but with the comment "treatments would be relevant to a current day section that is better written than current." So basically, there probably ought to be a section that might in fact cover these treatments, there just currently isn't because the old one was judged worse than nothing. Still probably worth deleting until when and if such coverage is restored. -Elmer Clark (talk) 04:53, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Combine

I want to clarify the reasons for my rewrite. I deleted those sections because they were disorganised, repetitive lists (Hot tub, for example, was hyperlinked thrice), or unsourced/badly sourced paragraphs. They essentially operated, to me, as contextless "see also" sections. They would, in my opinion, need to be grouped by culture or time period, eg. sections on ayurvedic treatments and related with context, location of origin, and spread, rather than a list saying "spa treatments can be: item 1 2 3 4 5". These lists are impossible to write discretely, in the same way a list of makeup products or lolly flavourings would be. If bullet point lists are necessary, then short ones would be difficult considering how broad this topic is globally. So, yes, I did think they were worse than nothing-- they were almost useless, and confused the article.

I think this topic area in general suffers from low-quality articles, selfpromo, lack of notability, pseudoscientific claims, and repetitive information (1, 2, 3, 4, for example). In my opinion, "body" "cosmetic" and "personal care" "treatments" are similar enough that if written could be combined into an article with subheadings of their own (or even in Beauty salon, which also needs a cleanup), not necessarily written into the spa one-- the division of the three reads to me more like marketing terms. Whatever the vote would be for combining the three to create a new article that isn't yet another rewrite of the history of soaking in hard water for purported therapeutic benefit, that's mine. Micahtchi (talk) 05:36, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

To clarify, I agree with you that what we had was worse than nothing and think your changes were good. If someone's willing to step up and do what you describe, I'd definitely endorse that solution over deletion as well. I'm not too optimistic though. -Elmer Clark (talk) 07:00, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry if I sounded harsh. And, yeah, I agree. Micahtchi (talk) 07:18, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Vichy water

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 June 5#Vichy water

Sulphur bath

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 June 5#Sulphur bath

Contamination of drinking water

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Safe for drinking water

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 June 5#Safe for drinking water

Infused [Ww]ater

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 June 5#Infused [Ww]ater

Wall pressure

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Desalination membrane

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 June 5#Desalination membrane

RO/DI

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 June 5#RO/DI

Portable Water

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Packaged drinking water

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

"War on tap water" and "War against water"

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Fruit and vegetable juices

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

List of sexualities

List of sexual orientations → Sexual orientation (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
List of sexualities → Outline of LGBTQ topics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
List of sexualities and gender identities → Outline of LGBTQ topics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
List of gender and sexual identities → Outline of LGBTQ topics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
List of genders and sexualities → Outline of LGBTQ topics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I believe that Outline of human sexuality#Sexual orientation is a better target for orientations in specifically, and Outline of human sexuality for the rest. LIrala (talk) 04:15, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep the first one as is. The current target describes sexual orientations in depth and detail, talking also about various classifications of sexual orientation instead of just one, so I feel like it would be more helpful to a reader. No comment on the rest. --Plantman (talk) 04:25, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

1) Keep – Agreed with Plantman. 'Outline of human sexuality#Sexual orientation' is a brief section which even uses the MainArticle template to link to Sexual orientation; it'd be nonsensical to link to a section when there's a much more robust main article. Retarget as proposed per Trystan's rationale. After all, this is a list. Still hold on (2) as 'orientation' is just one component of the very broad idea of 'sexuality'.

2) Retarget to Human sexuality. Oppose keep because Outline of LGBTQ topics is comparatively overly broad for such a search. Oppose move to section on sexual orientation because 1) 'Sexuality' combines many more facets than simply orientation and 2) even if it didn't, we have the article 'Sexual orientation'.

3) Delete. Without a very good excuse, there's no reason to have 'List of X and Y' and 'List of Y and X' when we can simply have redirect 'List of X' and 'List of Y'. If someone wants genders, they'll type 'List of gende' and have 'List of genders' show up – likewise for sexualities and for sexual identities. If 'List of genders and sexualities' were an actual article, then sure, but these make zero practical sense. What's worse is that with three items to choose from, we have so many possible permutations. If there's strong consensus against deletion, then Keep, as because 'gender' is along for the ride, 'Outline of human sexuality' fundamentally does nothing for one entire half of the redirect, and additionally, 'sexuality' as mentioned in (2) is much more than orientation.

4) Same as (3) (and again, sexual identity is much more than orientation).

5) Same as (3).

TL;DR: Oppose all of these. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 05:20, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget List of sexual orientations to Outline of human sexuality#Sexual orientation and List of sexualities to Outline of human sexuality per nom. While Sexual orientation has a robust prose discussion of the topic, what it doesn't have is a concise list, which is what the search terms indicate the person is looking for. Delete the rest as improbable and uneccesary search terms per TheTechnician27.--Trystan (talk) 16:21, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I just noticed that List of human sexuality topics already exists. What do you think @Plantman @TheTechnician27 @Trystan? LIrala (talk) 18:49, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think this one is unfortunately way too broad. If a user wants a "List of cars", they probably don't want a list that includes Cars (film), car controls, Fast & Furious, British Touring Car Championship, and speed limit – literally every topic strongly related to cars. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 22:51, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:MN

Wikipedia:MN → Wikipedia:Notability (music)#Criteria for musicians and ensembles (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

WP:MN pointed to Wikipedia:WikiProject Music/Noticeboard from 2006 to 2018. It was then redirected to Wikipedia:Notability (music)#Criteria for musicians and ensembles and currently points there. It has received about 1200 pageviews since 2018. Editors from Wikipedia:WikiProject Minnesota have requested that the shortcut point to that project as MN is the standard abbreviation for the state. A discussion at the notability guideline's talkpage did not find consensus. gobonobo ⁺ ^c 21:20, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per my comments in the linked discussion - Shortcuts being ambiguous is very common and not a problem. What is a problem is retargetting well-used shortcuts as this just causes confusion when one person refers to it (not necessarily linked) expecting it to still target the original location (how often do you check the targets of shortcuts you use frequently) at the same time as others refer to it expecting it to point at the new location. Editing long-closed discussions to change the target of redirects like this is disruptive makework. The incomming links for this redirect I spot check all clearly intend the current location. Deletion would just break things for no benefit to anybody. Thryduulf (talk) 21:36, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Wikipedia:WikiProject Minnesota as a short and logical shortcut to a project that needs one. I'm not buying an argument that it's a sensible shortcut for the current target. When referring to notability, the N comes first, not last (eg: WP:NBAND, WP:NALBUM). Employing a hatnote (especially with an explanatory note that it was the previous target) would resolve any confusion for anyone following old music-related links. -- Tavix ^(talk) 22:13, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – This has been used as a shortcut to WP:MUSICBIO etc. in discussions and presumably in edit summaries for many years now. What Thryduulf said. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 03:49, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Disambiguate due to being old, and this most likely has excessive edit summary linking, which cannot be changed. I do sympathize with the nominator, but it seems this is now the best solution. Steel1943 (talk) 04:00, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget or Disambiguate – "NY" goes to the WikiProject New York (state). I do not see any reason for MN not to redirect to WikiProject Minnesota. The Minnesota User Group is trying to rekindle interest and develop new projects after going dark after COVID-19. This means rebuilding the infrastructure and making finding resources on Wikipedia for Minnesotans and those wishing to help on Minnesota topics more straightforward.

As per my original comments: The original link was created in 2006 to redirect to "WikiProject Music/Noticeboard" which is currently inactive. A redirect to "MN" made sense for "Music/Noticeboard." It makes little sense to for WP:MN to go to "Criteria for musicians and ensembles" it appears someone just coopted it. As @Pingnova pointed out the section already has three shortcuts and WP:MN is not listed as one of them supporting the idea that it was just taken.

It is important to point out that the shortcut WP:MN has been used only 96 times since 2006. However the shortcuts WP:BAND, WP:MUSICBIO, & WP:SINGER each has been used thousands of times. The comment that MN is a "well-used shortcut" does not play out according to the evidence. Keeping a "MN" as short link "Criteria for musicians and ensembles" appears to be nothing more than link hoarding or pride. If it is a case of the latter then remove it from "Criteria for musicians and ensembles" and send to a Disambiguate page, so then no one will be happy. Myotus (talk) 03:20, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Rusalkii (talk) 05:51, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget - I believe this should be retargeted to Wikiproject Minnesota due to its relatively few uses and we could simply change the link in places it is used because of how infrequently it is used. Especially as it isn’t even listed as a link to that section in the section itself. Lastly Minnesota is very frequently abbreviated to MN and this is the first time musicians has been abbreviated to it. Macaw* 16:57, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Additionally add a hat note mentioning the former redirect Macaw* 17:55, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Disambiguate WP:Minnesota will never be a sought out target. No U.S. State wikiproject should occupy 2-letter abbreviation shortcuts, since they are all moribund, and it would not be a very useful use of such a prominent short redirect. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 16:03, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I see your point but other state wikiprojects have two letter links such as WP:NY and the criteria for musicians is rarly linked to with WP:MN compared to it's other shortcuts and a hat note would solve any issues that disambiguation would solve. Macaw* 02:00, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
User:65.92.246.77 (aka: anonymous), "Minnesota will never be a sought out target." It is rather insulting to hear such bias. We will move our state to the coast so folks will seek us out.
The following US States use 2-letter abbreviation shortcuts in the English Wikipedia version.
If two letter codes are too valuable to assign to US states and need to be held in limbo just in case they might need to be assigned in a possible redirect in the English Wikipedia version for some unknown future use then we need to pull these State codes too. Myotus (talk) 23:07, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As stated, all US state project should shorn of all 2-letter redirects. Make them disambiguation pages. There may even be a prominent proper use for them in a WikiProcess or some other project -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 04:46, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 07:04, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak disambiguate (or keep as second choice) as retargeting seems like it would disrupt a lot of links. I've drafted the dab page. Duckmather (talk) 19:02, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah but this rediret is only used 96 times and the disruption could be solved with intuition when you get sent to a irrelivent page to the topic you were just in and a hatnote. Macaw* 21:03, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Macaw:, yes, possibly 96 times in links in pages and articles, but there could be links in edit summaries that are not included in count. Steel1943 (talk) 20:41, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Could be? Please do the work to support your statement. If not, then the redirect is only used 96 times. It is frustrating when the people making the arguments against retargeting do not back up their statements with evidence. Myotus (talk) 02:17, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Wikipedia:WikiProject Minnesota. I prefer to err on the side of preserving shortcuts, but in this case, there doesn't seem to be a need for WP:MN to point to Wikipedia:Notability (music)#Criteria for musicians and ensembles. It isn't a commonly known or used shortcut, and the few instances of its most recent use (since 2018 when its original target was deprecated) can largely be corrected. This type of shortcut is intuitive and common for many regional WikiProjects. gobonobo ⁺ ^c 01:33, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose disambiguation. Projectspace shortcuts are generally ambiguous by nature. It is only appropriate to disambiguate them in rare or special cases, a bar which this does not seem to quite meet. — Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 05:33, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
How so? Please support opinions and statements with evidence. Myotus (talk) 02:07, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: In lieu of a no-consensus close, let's try one more time. Keep as is, retarget to WikiProject Minnesota, or disambiguate?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Rusalkii (talk) 01:42, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Per my original comments, retarget to WikiProject Minnesota. Old redirects can be automatically updated to the notability page with a bot, and considering it was used less than 100 times for its original purpose, I don't think it was ever that popular of a shortcut for the original target. Additionally, other US state WikiProjects have their postal abbreviation as a shortcut, which makes sense, because inside and outside the States they are frequently referred to by their two-letter abbreviation in text and verbally. It makes sense for the MN WikiProject to have the WP:MN shortcut. The current main shortcut WP:MINN is an extremely uncommon abbreviation for the state name that's also depreciated in most style guides because it isn't the US Post Code official abbreviation, and thus it's also little-known domestically and internationally, and isn't anyone's first (or even second or third) thought for a web shortcut. While WP:WPMN uses the best-known abbreviation, it appears confusingly redundant. There are no other more notable uses of the abbreviation MN than the state. This change makes sense. Pingnova (talk) 00:20, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget per Pingnova. Worgisbor (congregate) 17:04, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Citation templates

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

May 27

Dig! (website)

Dig! (website) → Warner Music Group (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned in target. Probably too specific to be added. Rusalkii (talk) 23:29, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment if this is kept, hatnotes should be added at Dig! and Digg. Thryduulf (talk) 14:35, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Advanced DC Motors

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Ol-class tanker (1916)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedy delete

University (Scandinavia)

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 June 6#University (Scandinavia)

John Vincent Oyler

John Vincent Oyler → John V. Oyler (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I cannot find any sources more reliable than Google Finance (which I think relies partially on Wikipedia) for the full middle name Vincent. I'd normally not nominate a redirect that was the title for a nontrivial amount of time (one month) but this is a BLP issue even as just a redirect. Rusalkii (talk) 19:36, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Alejandro Pradillo Rugby player

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Influencer Smurf

Influencer Smurf → Smurfs (film) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Meme about a smurf from the trailer of this movie, not mentioned in the target page. Possibly merits a mention (see e.g. [21] [22]), in which case the redirect should be kept, but I believe the character was replaced for the actual movie. Rusalkii (talk) 19:06, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reese River Hot Springs

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 June 6#Reese River Hot Springs

Spinning rust

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: soft redirect

JustServe

JustServe → The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints#Humanitarian services (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Platform by the LDS Church for finding local volunteer opportunities. Not mentioned in target, and the connection is not clear without googling. Rusalkii (talk) 18:47, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 03:10, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2025 Aspen mayoral election

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

PC-80

PC-80 → PC-8000 series (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I can't find evidence that this was referred to as the PC-80 (as opposed to 8000). Lots of hits in lot of places for lots of things, including several different computing devices, a gun, a solubilizer, camera, etc etc. Onwiki we have Heron Cars#PC 80 (note lack of dash) and an entry at List of carbines. I don't think either of these make great targets, I think I'd prefer deletion given the distinct lack of primary topic for a rather vague term, but the carbine seems better than the current target. Rusalkii (talk) 18:24, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Just like how PC-88 is short for PC-8801 and PC-98 is short for PC-9801, it makes sense for PC-80 to be short for PC-8001. JumpmanMario2K6 (talk) 18:46, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It definitely makes sense, I wouldn't blink if this was in fact in common usage, but as far as I can tell it in fact is not. Rusalkii (talk) 18:54, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

SNDL

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: disambiguate

Robo Rampage

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: No consensus on whether to restore or delete; default to restore as deletion requires an explicit consensus. Sigh, this keeps happening again and again and again. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 03:09, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Samsung Galaxy Trend 3

Samsung Galaxy Trend 3 → Samsung Galaxy Core Plus (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

The Trend is not mentioned at the target. This is a real phone model put out by Samsung but I can't figure out the relationship with the Core Plus from either the article or a search. Rusalkii (talk) 17:42, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Samsung_Galaxy_Core_Plus&diff=1292585617&oldid=1277272560 seems to have fixed the problem. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 03:08, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ISO 3166-2:UNK

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 June 6#ISO 3166-2:UNK

Christian democrati union

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Henry the 8x8

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

The E

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

U+205E

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

AI in businss

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Nicholas Logan

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 June 6#Nicholas Logan

Starburst (cocktail)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Wikipedia:MODS

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 June 6#Wikipedia:MODS

Draft talk:E-Laws

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedily deleted by User:Explicit. (WP:G7)

Draft:E-Laws

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedily deleted by User:Explicit. (WP:G7)

Square root of 25

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 June 6#Square root of 25

Nintendo 128

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Andrew wickham

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

May 26

KIPP: Lead College Prep Charter School

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: soft delete

Performative feminism

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 June 5#Performative feminism

First American Pope

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Disability-related articles

Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Disability-related articles → Wikipedia:WikiProject Disability/Style advice (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I normally wouldn't touch an {{R from move}} page, or a redirect that's this old, but I just saw this WikiProject essay get cited from the "MOS" name, as if it were an actual guideline, in a POV-pushing way. There are very few links to this page. Perhaps we can live without this one? WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:17, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The solution to an editor using a redirect to push a POV is to deal with the editor in the same way we would deal with them if they had linked to the target directly. Thryduulf (talk) 11:15, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: keep or delete?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Duckmather (talk) 19:43, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Non-MoS pages should never have MoS related redirects (or page names). Gonnym (talk) 14:10, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. A WikiProject's style advice is close enough to the MOS that I'm okay with this redirect. -- Tavix ^(talk) 20:38, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I think it's best we keep a clear differentiation between what is and isn't in the manual of style. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 14:20, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What differentiation between style guidance in the manual of style, some of which applies to specific topics/articles and style guidance for specific topics/articles elsewhere is important to make? Why is making that distinction important? Thryduulf (talk) 15:03, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The distinction is that the manual of style is a formal guideline and hence has a higher degree of consensus behind it than individual WikiProjects' advice pages. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:27, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Some bits of the manual of style are not widely supported by people other than MOS regulars (as evidenced by how controversial capitalisation can get for example) while style advice found in some wikiprojects is uncontroversial. So whether some piece of style advice is found in place A or place B is not a reliable guide to how strong a consensus it enjoys, meaning that enforcing an arbitrary barrier to finding a given bit of guidance based on that seems counterproductive. Thryduulf (talk) 22:51, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, if someone is being misleading about how much buy-in a page has that's on them; realistically speaking I expect this to be helpful for navigation and not misdealing for anyone actually opening the page, which we should do anyway if a guideline we're not familiar with is linked in an argument. Rusalkii (talk) 06:06, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 17:06, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Gayle Liuzza

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Acie Kirby

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: soft delete

FC Rapperswil-Jona (women)

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 June 4#FC Rapperswil-Jona (women)

Sdhgdf

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedy delete

Dr. Dr.

Dr. Dr. → Doctor Doctor (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I think it is more likely that searchers are looking for a double doctorate described at Doctor (title) than they are any of the other entries at the disambiguation page Doctor Doctor. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 15:06, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget per nom and add a hatnote back to the disambiguation page. There are presently non-notable artists and songs by this title, if they become notable in future this can be reevaluated at that time. Thryduulf (talk) 19:31, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and add to the disambiguation page, both double doctorates and medical doctors (a doctor doctor, a real doctor, a medical doctor) -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 07:22, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- "Dr. Dr., title of a person with a double doctorate" is there already. Medical doctors aren't titled "Dr. Dr." Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:32, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  - But they are sometimes informally referred to that way, when distinguishing between PhDs and MDs -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 20:48, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Rusalkii (talk) 06:20, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Either bundle Dr Dr with this, or apply the same outcome to it when this RfD is closed. Jay 💬 14:18, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Doctors (series 1)

The Doctors (series 1) → List of Medics (Polish TV series) episodes (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This is ambiguous and should be deleted. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 15:01, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Doctor#Series as a {{R from incomplete disambiguation}}. Thryduulf (talk) 19:35, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Doctors series 1 as I don't see the ambiguity. Nothing else at Doctor#Series seems to have something called "series 1". -- Tavix ^(talk) 21:04, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Which Doctors?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Rusalkii (talk) 06:16, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Re Tavix: The Doctors (2000 TV series), The Doctors (1963 TV series), The Doctors (1969 TV series) and The Doctors (talk show) at least all have multiple series/seasons ("series" is always a plausible search term for "season" and vice versa). This is a plausible search term for the first series/season for all of them. Thryduulf (talk) 10:59, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Can you show evidence of usage of "series 1" for any of those shows? If yes, add a hatnote. If no, don't add one. So long as Doctors series 1 is at the base title, it is the de facto primary topic. -- Tavix ^(talk) 14:41, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hunting, Fishing and Animals in ancient egypt

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Square root of 4

Square root of 4 → 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Square root of 9 → 3 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Sqrt4 → 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Unneeded, it's very unlikely that someone would look for the articles for 2 and 3 through this. Wikipedia is not a calculator. Square root of 1 was deleted for similar reasons in a 2019 RfD. I am bad at usernames (talk) 03:20, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Square root of 4 to set a consistent pattern with the articles Square root of 2, Square root of 3, Square root of 5, Square root of 6, Square root of 7. That was the same reason I created Square root of 9 last year, but I acknowledge the argument is weaker there since there is no Square root of 8 article. And if I had seen the 2019 RfD I would probably have supported keeping it for that reason too. And 9 is as far as this will go - I did not create (and would support deleting if someone else created) Square root of 16 Square root of 25 etc. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 03:42, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Also adding Sqrt4 to this for the same reason, I didn't notice it when creating the RfD. I am bad at usernames (talk) 03:45, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep Sqrt4 by the same argument: Sqrt2 Sqrt3 Sqrt5 Sqrt6 Sqrt7. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 03:55, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I wasn't aware of those Sqrt redirects. They are clearly not "necessary", yet are among the kinds of things we keep just because someone might possibly invoke them at some point. There are a ton of miscapitalized redirects that we keep around even though they do a lot of actual harm by showing up in the Visual Editor popup that invites people to link them. I'd say if we're keeping objectively harmful redirects, why not keep the potentially useful ones, too? Dicklyon (talk) 05:40, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as this is potentially useful for our readers. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 09:35, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Excuse me what? I have to call bullshit on this one. If someone so badly needs to know what the square roots of 4 or 9 are and can't figure it out some other way, they should go to our article on the square root itself, not to the specific value they type in. This also doesn't really address the "WP isn't a calculator" argument -- why stop here? Why not Square root of 2209 -> 47 (number)? Or 1+(2*3) -> 7? 35.139.154.158 (talk) 13:30, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I explained above why this should stop where it does. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 04:29, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all. I was going to write a couple sentences, but they would have been almost identical to the nomination statement. I don't buy the argument that a sequence of titles has to be complete if anything in that sequence is sufficiently different, as is the case here. As a side note, I'd also advocate deletion of all of the "Sqrtn" redirects as malformed and useless (and all recently created). 35.139.154.158 (talk) 13:30, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Question. Is it possible to have articles on the square root of four and square root of nine that are distinct from the numbers 2 and 3? As far as I recall, both positive and negative integers are square roots of the positive integer. BD2412 T 18:32, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"Is it possible to have articles on the square root of four and square root of nine that are distinct from the numbers 2 and 3?" Is it possible? Of course, in the sense that it's also possible to have an article on the cheeto I found in my bathtub this morning. Is it realistic or even a good idea? No. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 21:10, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This comment either misconstrues the question or, given the "cheeto in the bathtub" attitude, is unserious. Should Square root of 5 and Square root of 7 exist? These appear to be quite notable. We probably should have articles on Square root of 8 and Square root of 10. The only difference with 4 and 9 is that the square roots are whole numbers. BD2412 T 14:13, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It was an inane answer to an inane question, but the point I was making was completely serious. "We probably should have articles on Square root of 8 and Square root of 10." No, we probably shouldn't; we probably shouldn't even have articles for 6 and 7 either, but I don't have the stomach to start AFDs on those. "The only difference with 4 and 9 is that the square roots are whole numbers." That's a pretty big goddamn difference, don't you think? 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:47, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Please note that WP:CIVILITY is required to enjoy the right to edit here. It is part of the terms of service that you agree to abide to every time you click "Publish changes" for an edit. BD2412 T 16:23, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

... square root of 10 is apparently blue and points to Square root#Square roots of positive integers. I would have no objection to retargeting these redirects there as well. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:02, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all. These redirects are more likely to confuse than clarify. Articles are better served by linking to Square root. Clicking on a link for Square root of 4 but ending up on a page about a different number (2) without an explanation may be disorienting. Brigandeur (talk) 00:23, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Um, what? How is it disorienting to search for "square root of four" and be correctly told that it is two? * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 04:29, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It is disorienting as a link from an article. Searching for random terms is a different usage. Should redirects be used as context-less repositories of facts, like a Jeopardy bot? For example, I wonder who the current King of England is. If I search for that term, I get redirected to the topic of the Monarchy, not the person currently holding that title. Brigandeur (talk) 06:48, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Your argument is flawed. The King of England is a temporary position and is therefore subject to change. On the other hand, the square root of any number will remain constant. It’s like comparing apples to oranges. --Plantman (talk) 07:13, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Whether a topic has a temporal component is not relevant here. I am comparing linking to a concept and linking to a specific instance. The square root of four is both constantly a square root and equal to two. My argument is that in a hypothetical discussion where the square root of four comes up, the relevant topic to link to would be the concept of a square root. Linking instead to two by way of a redirect from "square root of four" comes off as both obfuscatory and condescending. Brigandeur (talk) 02:32, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep all (and promote Draft:Square root of 4 to mainspace), and add content to the target articles about the phenomenon of their being the square roots of the smallest numbers to have whole number square roots. BD2412 T 14:17, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Facepalm . 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:43, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The square root of 10 actually appears to be independently notable and mathematically significant. See Warren R. Giordano and David Fuller, "Is the Universe Cheating at Math By Using the Square Root of 10 Instead of Pi?". BD2412 T 16:18, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Facepalm Facepalm 35.139.154.158 (talk) 17:03, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Your emojis do not seem to be winning anyone to your point of view. BD2412 T 20:29, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps not, but it's about all I can muster when someone with over 2 million edits suggests, with a straight face apparently, a blatantly crank physics article hosted on academia.edu as evidence of notability of the square root of 10. You lecture me on civility, and yet you waste other people's time with this stuff. All after asking of the square roots of 4 and 9 could host their own articles separate from our articles on 2 and 3. And then you go on to suggest that a nothing "property" be added to the articles on 4 and 9, which both already mention (the second in passing) that these are square numbers, which is the same thing. Come on. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 21:57, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You have misread my proposal. I suggested to add something to the target articles (in this discussion, the redirect targets, 2 and 3) indicating that they are, respectively, the square roots of the smallest even and odd numbers to have whole number square roots. BD2412 T 02:27, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
First, that's simply not true, and second, those articles already say that they're perfect squares, which is the exact same thing as having a whole number square root. And before you proclaim "oho! then redirect them there!", no, for the reasons already stated by me and Brigandeur. I also misread nothing of the sort, you asked, point blank:
Question. Is it possible to have articles on the square root of four and square root of nine that are distinct from the numbers 2 and 3?
. You've turned what should be a fairly mundane discussion into a clusterfuck of red herrings and other nonsense. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 16:23, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It turns out that it is possible to have articles on the square root of four and square root of nine, and I'm very pleased that now we are going to have these. BD2412 T 01:24, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Facepalm Facepalm Facepalm 35.139.154.158 (talk) 02:10, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Your face must be so red by now. BD2412 T 20:01, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(working link: https://www.academia.edu/32723079/Is_the_Universe_Cheating_at_Math_By_Using_the_Square_Root_of_10_Instead_of_Pi?sm=b) * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:13, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Convert Square root of 4 to article, using Draft:Square root of 4. Dicklyon (talk) 05:08, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oh give it a rest...your years-long trolling with this is just disruptive, and bordering on ANI-worthy. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 16:23, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If you think something is ANI-worthy, then you should take it to ANI. BD2412 T 17:25, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Some people have no sense of humor. Dicklyon (talk) 05:36, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all along with √4, √9, ... √225. Some redirects from mathematical expressions are useful because they correspond to the reason a number it notable or are faster to type (10^9). Others are useful because they redirect to articles about the expression (e^ipi). These are just calculator results that happen to have an article. Jruderman (talk) 04:37, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The chance that someone is going to invoke a redirect with such an obscure character is roughly zero. Yet they're harmless. So why bother? Dicklyon (talk) 05:45, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
They may be harmless from a reader's perspective, but from an editor's perspective they create the impression that there is a pattern that should be followed and that more such redirects should be created (see "That was the same reason I created Square root of 9" above). Should we bother to to create them, or clean these up and move on? Brigandeur (talk) 09:59, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I feel as though redirecting these articles will lead to more debate and a domino effect. If "sqrt4" leading to "2" isn't okay for WP, then what making "2^2" redirecting to "4" okay? Why does "sqrt(-1)" redirect to "Imaginary unit"? "10^6" to "1,000,000"? Where does Wikipedia draw the line? Why not have all "derivative of n" articles redirect to 0? It seems a bit contradictory. MontanaMako (talk) 22:20, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Redirects are cheap. Square root of 4 is a plausible search term or wikilink, and is unambiguously the same number as 2. It should not be a separate article, but some part of Draft:Square root of 4 could plausibly be merged into a section of 2 and the redirect could point at the section. Inre the nomination's "deleted for similar reasons in a 2019 RfD" it should be noted that there was a nominator urging deletion, one "weak delete", one person who retracted their vote, and one comment; there wasn't enough discussion to draw any meaningful conclusions about interested Wikipedians' general consensus. –jacobolus (t) 03:23, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Cheap and unambiguous. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 19:34, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: A strongly-related new RfD discussion has been opened at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 May 19#Square root of 25. Steel1943 (talk) 19:30, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep square root of 4 and square root of 9 as redirects; delete sqrt4; and do not replace with the draft article. There's no harm in keeping the redirect to avoid a redlink between square root of 3 and square root of 5, though sqrt4 reads more as calculator input than a plausible search term, and any mathematical properties of the square root of 4 can be adequately discussed in the article about 2 or square root. The draft is a WP:COATRACK and WP:CONTENTFORK. ^Complex/_Rational 22:55, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@ComplexRational: Do you have any thoughts on what in the draft should be integrated into the article? 2 is surprisingly sparse as is, as an article on one of the most important numbers. BD2412 T 23:20, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps a couple of sentences about squares, root rectangles and trigonometric rectangles are worth merging. But the rest could easily be written about the square root of any integer (e.g., continued fractions, terminating decimal expansions, standard deviations) by merely copying, pasting, and changing the numbers – in other words, nothing special to the number 2. ^Complex/_Rational 01:06, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Rusalkii (talk) 06:04, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

keep the first two, delete the third one as it seems to be a bit of a stretch. I also feel like Square root of 1 shouldn't have been deleted, but that's a different issue. --Plantman (talk) 03:17, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Not what redirects are for. Unhelpful for readers who may be trying to learn more about the topic. --Paul_012 (talk) 11:16, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- To clarify, a reader who might plausibly search for "square root of n" is most likely looking for explanation and instruction on the meaning of the operation and its calculation. They are not served by being blankly redirected to the result without any explanation. The only vaguely related explanation would be found Square root, so that is the only plausibly acceptable target, though barely, so I would favour deletion rather than retargeting. The redirects are also misleading, since -2 and -3 are also the square root of 4 and 9. --Paul_012 (talk) 07:29, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

DXYK

DXYK → List of GMA Network radio stations (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Delete. No mention of "DXYK" at target page, became a redirect as a result of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/DXYK just in case it ever became notable 1 year later. 124.104.16.92 (talk) 06:49, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, while it's not mentioned on the target, I guess this is because it's not an active station, as opposed to bearing no relevance. That said, it has some history from the former article and the AfD result ended in a redirect specifically to avoid a scenario of deleting it outright. As the initialism was relevant once to a GMA radio station, I don't see any harm keeping this redirect. Bungle ^{(talk • contribs)} 06:44, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 10:08, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Should it target DZBB-AM where "DXYK 1179" pipes to at the {{Butuan Radio}} template? Jay 💬 13:24, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Jay, it doesn't seem to be/have been the only station called "DXYK" (unless I am mis-reading) and therefore a target of something more general (list of..), rather than to one specifically, may be more appropriate perhaps? Bungle ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:28, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The DXYK 99.7 pipe at that template uses this redirect. So if we are not going to have content on this, it needs to be removed from the template instead of leaving it a redlink. In which case, DXYK 1179 will be the only one left. Jay 💬 07:16, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete There is not enough content anywhere on Wikipedia to do a search for this topic justice. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 01:07, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Rusalkii (talk) 05:54, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per Pppery. Worgisbor (congregate) 17:41, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Cricket Europe

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

1957-58 Australia rugby union tour of the Britain Isles, Ireland and France

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: no consensus

Judge Bridlegoose

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 June 6#Judge Bridlegoose

May 25

Criticism of Dunkin' Donuts

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Withdrawn.

Buds (Surf Curse album)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Retarget to Surf Curse * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:19, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've played these games before!

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Delete

Shish

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 June 1#Shish

Wokepedia

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 June 5#Wokepedia

Bitterzoet

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Turn to article * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:17, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Automatic lubricating cup

Automatic lubricating cup → Lubricant (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Automatic Lubricating Cup → Lubricant (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This phrase, and specifically the word "cup", is mentioned nowhere in the target article, leaving it unclear why readers would be redirected to the target article when searching these terms. Steel1943 (talk) 07:17, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep since it's an important invention with lots of coverage in sources. It has good possibilities for a section, or even an article, but at least a mention. Better to fix the lack of mention than to delete it. Dicklyon (talk) 15:13, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
...Something being that notable seems to be eligible for WP:REDLINK if it's not mentioned. Steel1943 (talk) 16:48, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep but Retarget per Mdewman6 below. Dicklyon (talk) 23:24, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Automatic lubricator#Displacement lubricator for now, and add a mention. This seems to refer to patented invention by Elijah McCoy, known as The real McCoy; both articles mention his "oil-drip cup invention", but the best target would be the article describing the invention and related things, not the inventor or terms derived from the invention. There is old content at Automatic Lubricating Cup but it would definitely be a case of WP:TNT if brought to AfD, as it is more about McCoy than the invention. Mdewman6 (talk) 18:35, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

In the interest of improving upon the status quo and achieving consensus, I would be okay with retargeting to Elijah McCoy for now, with no prejudice against retargeting in the future to another target if a better target arises due to content being added. Mdewman6 (talk) 05:42, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 10:20, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom until a mention can be established. -- Tavix ^(talk) 20:34, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Elijah McCoy for now, since the invention is by him. Not prejudiced to redirecting if a mention gets added to another article. ApexParagon (talk) 15:20, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Multiple targets have been suggested.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 08:49, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak retarget to Elijah McCoy, which at least mentions a cup in context, even if it doesn't use this phrase. I lean delete as a second choice, since it seems very likely a reader searching this term would already know more than what we can deliver. --BDD (talk) 18:06, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

See my amended comment above. Mdewman6 (talk) 05:42, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Khattar (surname) (disambiguation)

Closed discussion, see full discussion.

Alberta separatism and annexationism

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: No consensus * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:15, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There's been a murder

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 June 6#There's been a murder

Vampyrellidium

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Template:Subst:Unsigned IP

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Wikipedia:NEWSCIENTIST

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Asie Mineure

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 June 4#Asie Mineure

Patrick McDermott

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

Dance drama

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 June 4#Dance drama

Monopoly: The Card Game

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 June 4#Monopoly: The Card Game

Better Go Home

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

May 21

Moronism

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Asian Library

Asian Library → University of British Columbia Library#Asian Library (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Created by a very recent merge. There are several possible targets in addition to the UBC Library, however. These include East Asian Library and the Gest Collection, C.V. Starr East Asian Library, and Harvard–Yenching Library, among others. A disambiguation page may be in order. Cnilep (talk) 02:11, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As the merger, if consensus can be reached on suitable entries, no problem with disambiguation. it's lio! | talk | work 02:18, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have no objections to a disambiguation page. I agree that Asian Library is quite broad as a term. Cyali (talk) 02:34, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Disambig in addition to the above, there is also Cheng Yu Tung East Asian Library and Washington University Libraries#Specialist libraries. If a dab is created, East Asian library should be created as a redirect to it. Thryduulf (talk) 10:31, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The "L" is capitalized, showing that this is being used as a proper name; and while there are indeed other generic "Asian libraries", the UBC example appears to be the only one actually titled "the Asian Library". I'd have thought, therefore, that the redirect should be left as it is; but that dab pages should be created for "Asian library" and "East Asian Library". GrindtXX (talk) 11:51, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 09:49, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Grind. Jay 💬 10:56, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Rusalkii (talk) 05:32, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguation seems like the most reasonable approach here. Not convinced by above argument that the title is indeed distinct enough to clearly only refer to the one subject. The dab page should be made regardless of outcome, but I personally don't see what would make the current target the primary topic. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 05:49, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: One more try...
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943 (talk) 19:58, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguation draft requested Rusalkii (talk) 22:36, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Draft:Asian library. Cnilep (talk) 03:10, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Disambiguate This is clearly a generic/ambiguous term; pointing to one specific target is presumptuous. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 02:58, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Electrism

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Retarget to Etymology of electricity#Electrism * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:12, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Syriacs

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Retarget to Syriac. There are roughly three equal factions in this discussion: Keep as is, retarget to Terms for Syriac Christians or disambiguate in some form or another. Given that situation, there clearly isn't consensus that either of the first two is the primary topic, so a disambiguation page seems warranted in the spirit of WP:NCRET. On whether to create a separate disambiguation page or retarget to the existing one, the consensus is to WP:DABCOMBINE the two terms, despite Jay's arguments otherwise. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 02:52, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Postgaardida

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Kunal Singh Rathore

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: restore without prejudice to AfD

Boq

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Springfield Missouri Temple

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

All India Council for Technical Education (India)

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 May 28#All India Council for Technical Education (India)

Thousand Faces

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 May 28#Thousand Faces

FedEx Express Flight 3609

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Template:CC-SA-3.0

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

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